Comments on: Can you guess where this is from? (Updated) http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/ It's forbidden, but it's good! Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:54:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: falcon http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6025 falcon Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:45:46 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-6025 I would highly recommed Arthur's testimony. It's worth reading and considering. The part that I found most interesting was that his friends and associates within Mormonism couldn't accept the fact that he could leave because he concluded that the sect did not have the restored gospel. It is truly a spiritual battle ground with deception as the main tactic. I would highly recommed Arthur’s testimony. It’s worth reading and considering. The part that I found most interesting was that his friends and associates within Mormonism couldn’t accept the fact that he could leave because he concluded that the sect did not have the restored gospel. It is truly a spiritual battle ground with deception as the main tactic.

]]> By: jer1414 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6016 jer1414 Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:20:22 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-6016 Yes and Amen to what Falcon says above. Amanda, you said “A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred.” Read 1 Nephi 14:10 (whore of all the earth), Journal of Discourse 5:73(Christian world was grovelling in darkness), 8:171(Christian world, so-called, are heathens ), 8:199(a more ignorant people never lived), 6:25(Christians ignorant), 6:167 (the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than Christianity)for just a few of the Mormon comments that have "poked fun of" something I hold sacred. Remember, you said "A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred.” Amanda, my question to you is, can we apply your comment to Mormons? Yes and Amen to what Falcon says above.

Amanda, you said “A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred.”

Read 1 Nephi 14:10 (whore of all the earth), Journal of Discourse 5:73(Christian world was grovelling in darkness), 8:171(Christian world, so-called, are heathens ), 8:199(a more ignorant people never lived), 6:25(Christians ignorant), 6:167 (the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than Christianity)for just a few of the Mormon comments that have “poked fun of” something I hold sacred.

Remember, you said “A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred.”

Amanda, my question to you is, can we apply your comment to Mormons?

]]> By: Arthur Sido http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6005 Arthur Sido Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:53:28 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-6005 Falcon, Thanks to your prompting I finally got around to finishing up and posting our testimony. Moderators, with your permission, I am providing the link to our testimony of God's saving grace in leaving mormonism. You can read it <a href="http://thesidos.blogspot.com/2008/02/our-journey-out-of-mormonism-saved-by.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Falcon,

Thanks to your prompting I finally got around to finishing up and posting our testimony. Moderators, with your permission, I am providing the link to our testimony of God’s saving grace in leaving mormonism. You can read it here.

]]> By: falcon http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-6002 falcon Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:51:32 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-6002 Why do Christians view Mormonism as having occultic features? Mormons embrace the pentagram, an occult symbol, but reject the cross, the symbol of our atonement. Mormons practice temple rituals that come directly from Free Masonry, which many Christians view as occultic. Mormonism was established by a man that claimed to be a prophet.....who was known to practice folk magic using a seer stone to hunt for buried treasure. This prophet preached a different god, one who progressed to being a god from being a man. Thus taking his followers away from the God of the Bible to a different god. This is spiritual warfare. What Mormons do and what they experience comes from the side of the battle opposite of Yahweh the one, only and true God. The spiritual armies are well defined, a choice has to be made as to who we will follow. Why do Christians view Mormonism as having occultic features? Mormons embrace the pentagram, an occult symbol, but reject the cross, the symbol of our atonement. Mormons practice temple rituals that come directly from Free Masonry, which many Christians view as occultic. Mormonism was established by a man that claimed to be a prophet…..who was known to practice folk magic using a seer stone to hunt for buried treasure. This prophet preached a different god, one who progressed to being a god from being a man. Thus taking his followers away from the God of the Bible to a different god. This is spiritual warfare. What Mormons do and what they experience comes from the side of the battle opposite of Yahweh the one, only and true God. The spiritual armies are well defined, a choice has to be made as to who we will follow.

]]> By: amanda http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-5993 amanda Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:10:27 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-5993 Aaron, (FYI-the video post I referred to above was not the most recent of your video posts) Yes, this subject has implied several times that mormons have this secretive tie to the pentagram (twilight zone stuff)...it's just a symbol- that's all. And your attempt at trying to make this a mormon mystery is laughable at best. Yes, it's on the temple, AND? I just noted above that we use symbols for teaching- Again, I'm not sure what you expect me to apologize for--??? Its' not like the free masons just made stuff up- they took a lot of their symbols and traditions from older traditions. The restoration of truth might also resemble other traditions that have taken from the original. That's why we resemble a lot of evangelical Christianity- because they took a lot from the original- The original has been restored, however. I apologize for not watching the rest of your video- the website is not working properly (or my computer)- and it's taking forever. Maybe respond with text this time. JER1414, Mormon founding fathers aren't "real Christian men". ??? Secretive? what exactly is secretive?? Doesn't matter how many times these ridiculous sentiments are addressed, you continue to spew them. I think these comments fall under the "I have no basis for making such claims" category. But thanks for playing. Aaron, (FYI-the video post I referred to above was not the most recent of your video posts)

Yes, this subject has implied several times that mormons have this secretive tie to the pentagram (twilight zone stuff)…it’s just a symbol- that’s all. And your attempt at trying to make this a mormon mystery is laughable at best.

Yes, it’s on the temple, AND? I just noted above that we use symbols for teaching- Again, I’m not sure what you expect me to apologize for–???

Its’ not like the free masons just made stuff up- they took a lot of their symbols and traditions from older traditions. The restoration of truth might also resemble other traditions that have taken from the original. That’s why we resemble a lot of evangelical Christianity- because they took a lot from the original- The original has been restored, however.

I apologize for not watching the rest of your video- the website is not working properly (or my computer)- and it’s taking forever. Maybe respond with text this time.

JER1414,

Mormon founding fathers aren’t “real Christian men”. ???

Secretive? what exactly is secretive?? Doesn’t matter how many times these ridiculous sentiments are addressed, you continue to spew them.

I think these comments fall under the “I have no basis for making such claims” category. But thanks for playing.

]]> By: jer1414 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-5992 jer1414 Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:56:15 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-5992 Falcon is right, this is a spiritual battle, for "We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle raised up against the knowledge of God..." (2 Cor. 10:4-5) and "it is shameful even to mention what such people do secretly; but everything exposed by the light becomes visible" Eph. 5:12 - 13) Amanda said "A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred." It's hard to take this comment seriously based on 1 Nephi 14:10, JoD 5:73, 8:171, 8:199, 6:25, 6:167, and myriads of other examples... so based on this comment, Mormon founding fathers aren't "real Christian men". Falcon is right, this is a spiritual battle, for “We destroy arguments and every proud obstacle raised up against the knowledge of God…” (2 Cor. 10:4-5) and “it is shameful even to mention what such people do secretly; but everything exposed by the light becomes visible” Eph. 5:12 – 13)

Amanda said “A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred.” It’s hard to take this comment seriously based on 1 Nephi 14:10, JoD 5:73, 8:171, 8:199, 6:25, 6:167, and myriads of other examples… so based on this comment, Mormon founding fathers aren’t “real Christian men”.

]]> By: amanda http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-5991 amanda Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:51:37 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-5991 Am I in the twilight zone? The thing that defeats this secretive ritualistic crap that evangelicals spew is that the temple is for ANYONE who wishes to attend. Yes, you have to want to be there...but the truth is that the Lord would have everyone enter into its' walls and worship Him. Nothing secretive about that...its' sacred nature, however, is something we take very seriously---this is why we don't let people like Aaron Shaffavovvovloff enter in to take pictures and flail his arms around like a monkey attempting to poke fun like a 3rd grader. Those are things that are simply inappropriate for the House of God. And Aaron, if you delete that last section, which was about as immature as YOUR video post- then I'll know you are a hypocrite. Am I in the twilight zone?

The thing that defeats this secretive ritualistic crap that evangelicals spew is that the temple is for ANYONE who wishes to attend. Yes, you have to want to be there…but the truth is that the Lord would have everyone enter into its’ walls and worship Him. Nothing secretive about that…its’ sacred nature, however, is something we take very seriously—this is why we don’t let people like Aaron Shaffavovvovloff enter in to take pictures and flail his arms around like a monkey attempting to poke fun like a 3rd grader. Those are things that are simply inappropriate for the House of God.

And Aaron, if you delete that last section, which was about as immature as YOUR video post- then I’ll know you are a hypocrite.

]]> By: falcon http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-5983 falcon Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:59:26 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-5983 The pentagram makes perfect sense within the context of Mormonism. I heard a guy on the radio (forget his name) who is a Mormon and has written a "Mormanism for Dummies" book. In regards to the question about Masonic rituals being incorporated into Mormon temple rites, he said that Mormonism borrowed wisdom and practice from all religious traditions including the secret society of Free Masonry. So if something is borrowed from what we as Christians would see as occultic, it makes sense in the blurring of the spirtitual lines within the Mormon system. Joseph Smith was known to be a practioner of folk magic. The spiritual experiences Mormons claim are indeed spiritual in nature. The use of the pentagram and Masonic rites gives a clue as to the source of those experiences. This is indeed a spiritual battle. The pentagram makes perfect sense within the context of Mormonism. I heard a guy on the radio (forget his name) who is a Mormon and has written a “Mormanism for Dummies” book. In regards to the question about Masonic rituals being incorporated into Mormon temple rites, he said that Mormonism borrowed wisdom and practice from all religious traditions including the secret society of Free Masonry. So if something is borrowed from what we as Christians would see as occultic, it makes sense in the blurring of the spirtitual lines within the Mormon system. Joseph Smith was known to be a practioner of folk magic. The spiritual experiences Mormons claim are indeed spiritual in nature. The use of the pentagram and Masonic rites gives a clue as to the source of those experiences. This is indeed a spiritual battle.

]]> By: amanda http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-5980 amanda Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:11:09 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-5980 Speaking of symbols... Aaron, it's actually quite sad to see your attempts at trying to scare people about what we do in the temple. Again, symbols are not for the weak-minded. They are used for teaching principles and doctrines. Christ used symbols through parable. I would think you would appreciate symbolism, being a writer yourself. But getting down to the heart of the matter, this isn't about what LDS believe- this is about a forum where you, Aaron, can sit on your high-horse and pretend to know more about God than we do. That suits your ego- but it doesn't suit you as a Christian. A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred. What kind of fellowship is that??? The more you post, the more you spit venom- the less you resemble anything Christian. And I don't care if you delete, or "trim" this- I only desired you to read it. Speaking of symbols…

Aaron, it’s actually quite sad to see your attempts at trying to scare people about what we do in the temple. Again, symbols are not for the weak-minded. They are used for teaching principles and doctrines. Christ used symbols through parable. I would think you would appreciate symbolism, being a writer yourself.

But getting down to the heart of the matter, this isn’t about what LDS believe- this is about a forum where you, Aaron, can sit on your high-horse and pretend to know more about God than we do. That suits your ego- but it doesn’t suit you as a Christian. A real Christian man would not even attempt to poke fun at what others hold sacred. What kind of fellowship is that??? The more you post, the more you spit venom- the less you resemble anything Christian.

And I don’t care if you delete, or “trim” this- I only desired you to read it.

]]> By: amanda http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/comment-page-1/#comment-5978 amanda Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:58:47 +0000 http://blog.mrm.org/2008/02/can-you-guess-where-this-is-from/#comment-5978 FIRST OF ALL: 1) Who said we find great significance in the pentagram?? It's a symbol that is in the children's museum...we don't sell them as necklaces and wave them up in the air like Christians' do crosses. Symbols are only important for teaching. We don't worship symbols. So who cares if that symbol is in a museum...? 2) What exactly are LDS supposed to apologize for again? I guess I missed the point of this one...?? By the way, I missed you guys, I've had bronchitis for a week and I'm finally able to break away from the tissues. I know many of you have missed my words of wisdom- I will try to post more of them soon but you have to make these posts a little more compelling :) FIRST OF ALL:

1) Who said we find great significance in the pentagram?? It’s a symbol that is in the children’s museum…we don’t sell them as necklaces and wave them up in the air like Christians’ do crosses. Symbols are only important for teaching. We don’t worship symbols. So who cares if that symbol is in a museum…?

2) What exactly are LDS supposed to apologize for again? I guess I missed the point of this one…??

By the way, I missed you guys, I’ve had bronchitis for a week and I’m finally able to break away from the tissues. I know many of you have missed my words of wisdom- I will try to post more of them soon but you have to make these posts a little more compelling :)

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