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What is “Celestial Polygamy”?

The LDS Church is adamant about distancing itself from modern polygamists, but can it really distance itself entirely from the doctrine of plural marriage?

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Islam’s Public Enemy #1

Islam’s Public Enemy #1: Coptic priest Zakaria Botros fights fire with fire

A Look at Fundamentalist Mormonism

FLDS, AUB, TLC? Plural marriage, otherwise known as “the principle,” lives on among thousands of modern-day followers of Joseph Smith.

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Hiding Behind Skirts

Todd Wood writes,

“I am telling you guys, a real LDS general authority or better yet, an LDS apostle, needs to start blogging. Where are the bold prophets and apostles for times like these in America? Can you imagine if the prophet Isaiah or apostle Paul lived in 2008? Would they be crying out, ‘Someone hand me the keyboard! I want to share some truth unapologetically on the matter!’”

This reminds me of the way the men of the YFZ compound have for the most part used the women as the public voice of the FLDS. Instead of exercising their God-given role of leadership, they have been, as Mary Mackert put it, hiding behind the skirts of their wives. Likewise, mainstream Mormon leaders continue to, for the most part, hide behind the skirts of FAIR, FARMS, and the common layman instead of using the God-given medium of the internet to make the LDS institution’s authoritative, official voice loud and clear and unequivocal on pressing issues.

M. Russell Ballard, I’m talking to you. While you understandably call upon your membership to use the internet to spread the message of your mainstream sect, your quorum cowardly hides behind unofficial voices for the majority of compelling issues. Be a man and start wearing some institutional pants. Start a blog and put an official stamp on your posts. Allow me to suggest some topics for your initial blog posts:

  • Was God the Father potentially once a sinner? Does the mainstream Mormon sect provide rock-solid, official assurance that God the Father never sinned?
  • Are the main tenets of Spencer W. Kimball’s The Miracle of Forgiveness spiritually oppressive and unbiblical? Was Kimball correct in saying that “trying” was insufficient, and that only successful, permanent, comprehensive abandonment of sin (from practice and the desires of the mind) brings complete forgiveness?
  • Can “virgin” be redefined to refer to one who has not had relations with a mortal man, although perhaps has had relations with an immortal man?
  • Was not only the priesthood ban, but also the Curse of Cain teaching, erroneous and dishonorable to God? Why doesn’t the mainstream Mormon institution issue a public declaration equivocally condemning the Curse of Cain teaching?
  • Was Brigham Young right to cover up Mormon involvement in the Mountain Meadows Massacre?

Praying for your repentance,

Aaron

Impregnated between the ages of 13-16

“CPS identified 20 minors and young adult women with children who were impregnated between the ages of 13-16.” (>>)

The Reason We Take Exception

“What goes around comes around.” So said the Karate Kid.

SowerA similar thought is found in Galatians 6:7: “Whatever one sows, that will he also reap,” Hosea 8:7: “They sow the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind,” and in the words of Jesus: “…the measure you give will be the measure you get” (Matthew 7:2).

All of this has been on my mind as I observe the discomfort of Latter-day Saints over the lately oft-published phrase, “Fundamentalist Mormon.”

Last week (April 17, 2008) the LDS Church posted a video of Apostle Quentin L. Cook making an appeal to the news media to stop using the word “Mormon” in connection with people who practice polygamy. Otherwise, Mr. Cook complained, “It creates a lot of confusion.”

Several times during the video Mr. Cook stressed that the main problem with this confusion is that it does not allow people to understand and make the “significant distinction” between polygamous Latter Day Saints and monogamous Latter-day Saints. He said,

“I would like to make an appeal to [the media] on behalf of the Church to clearly make that distinction, to not include ‘Mormon’ with the word ‘polygamist,’ to not identify The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormon Church, with polygamy. They’re entirely separate. And it would make it so that everybody understood the situation better if they ceased doing that. And we would appreciate it.”

Mr. Cook provided an example of confusing reporting, reading the lead from an article in an Australian newspaper:

“Childhood within a Fundamentalist Mormon community means little education, regular beatings, rigorously enforced household duties, and for girls, arranged marriage in their teens culminating in a lifetime of subservience.”

To which Mr. Cook remarked, “Nothing could be further from the truth with respect to the members of the Church.” He then proceeded to make distinctions between the FLDS and LDS communities, point by point. In addition to not practicing polygamy, Mormons:

  • are well educated;
  • do not engage in arranged marriages;
  • are married at an average age of 23 years;
  • have normal occupations;
  • live within broader communities (no isolation); and
  • do not dress or wear their hair in any way that would distinguish them from the communities in which they live.

“That’s the reason we take exception to this kind of writing,” Mr. Cook said.

I think Mr. Cook makes valid points. He makes a very similar argument to that which Christians have made for many years regarding the insistence of the LDS Church and its members that Mormonism be identified as “Christian.”

To call Mormonism “Christian” creates a lot of confusion. This confusion does not allow people to understand and make the significant distinction between polytheistic Mormonism and monotheistic Christianity. For example, juxtaposed against LDS teachings, Christians:

  • do not believe in the existence of more than one true God;
  • worship a God who, from eternity to eternity, has always been God;
  • recognize the Bible as wholly trustworthy, containing the fullness of the Gospel;
  • believe Jesus is, and has continually been, building His church since the day He began; and
  • understand Jesus’ atonement is sufficient to cleanse from all unrighteousness.

In Mormonism it is written,

“God is an exalted man who once lived on an earth and underwent experiences of mortality. …The progression of our Father in heaven to godhood, or exaltation, was strictly in accordance with eternal principles,…

“By definition, exaltation includes the ability to procreate the family unit throughout eternity. This our Father in heaven has power to do. His marriage partner is our mother in heaven…

“We were born in the premortal life as spirit beings, sons and daughters of a glorified, perfected, exalted being. This holy being himself lives in the family unit. …We are the literal offspring of the most glorious personage of whom it is possible to conceive. He is God Almighty, our Heavenly Father…

“Men Are Gods in Embryo…Man is the child of God,… so the undeveloped offspring of celestial parentage is capable, by experience through ages of aeons, of evolving into a God.

“This Potential Was Transmitted to Us Through Our Spiritual Birth…

“…you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you,…” (Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual. 129-130)

Nothing could be further from the truth with respect to members of the Christian church. Mormonism is not Christianity and Christianity is not Mormonism. They are entirely separate. If the LDS Church (and others) would stop using the word “Christian” in connection with those who practice polytheism (defined as “belief in or worship of more than one God), it would make it so that everybody understood the situation better.

And we would appreciate it.

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