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Any reason to fear?

The Mormon Coffee post of April 18, 2008 discussed Jesus’ words from Matthew 7:21-23. Here Jesus warns of the result of spiritual self-deception:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart form me, you workers of lawlessness’” (Matt. 7:21-23).

The article referred to Jesus’ warning as “the most frightening words,” for they speak of being eternally cast away from the safe and comforting presence of the Lord.

After reading the article on Mormon Coffee about the Matthew passage, a Latter-day Saint commented,

“Frightening words? I’ve read this passage many times, and have never found it frightening. The Savior’s ministry has always brought me peace.”

This made me wonder. Under what circumstances would the threat of eternal separation from the Savior Jesus Christ not be frightening?

For someone who does not believe in Christ I suppose the words would have little meaning; but clearly our LDS friend is not in that category.

Someone believing he is secure in his salvation may not be frightened by these words, but he would be foolish to dismiss them so readily. After all, Jesus is warning of self –deception — He is speaking specifically about people who (mistakenly) believe they are secure in their salvation.

Be that as it may, it’s unlikely that our LDS friend is in that category, either. In Mormonism there is no ultimate assurance of spending eternity in the celestial kingdom where Christ dwells, for one of the requirements to enter that kingdom is faithful endurance to the end.

If a person does not believe in a hellish eternal punishment Jesus’ words might not be frightening. In the Mormon belief system pretty much everybody gets an eternal life far better than the earth life we are familiar with. So the prospect of gaining any one of the three LDS eternal kingdoms would probably not generate fearful concern.

Nevertheless, the Mormon understands that being assigned to a place outside the celestial kingdom is in turn being banished from living eternally in the presence of Christ. Is this not frightening to contemplate?

A Christian reader of Mormon Coffee responding to our fearless LDS friend suggested a possible answer:

“Jesus words are sobering to those of us who follow Him because we know what the stakes are.”

Could that be it? People who are not frightened or sobered by Matthew 7:21-23 don’t know what they have to lose? That makes sense to me. If we don’t know Jesus, if we don’t know the depth and the height of who and what He is, maybe we aren’t too worried about living without Him.

Several Mormons have told me over the years that heaven would not be heaven without the continuation of their marriage and family unit; if all they got was dwelling forever in the presence of God they were not really interested in going there.

An LDS man once asked me what I wanted eternity to be like. I told Him that my hope and my joy are in Christ. I long to spend eternity in His presence. That is my perfect eternity, to be with my Savior forever.

The man told me that I would probably get what I hoped for, but I would be missing the best part. He said,

“It’s like going to an exquisite restaurant, ordering an incredible dinner, and leaving after the soup and salad, before the entrée arrives.”

For him, Jesus is a nice appetizer preceding a fulfilling eternity that goes way beyond the joy of the Lord.

Listen to the way Christian pastor S.M. Lockridge described his King Jesus:

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Is He your King? Do you know Him?

He is what we have to lose if we deceive ourselves into believing a lie.

Terrifyingly frightening thought.

Mormon “Idol” David Archuleta Sings About Jesus

American Idol’s 2008 finalist David Archuleta has a beautiful voice and a compelling way of phrasing his songs. A seventeen-year-old Mormon from Murray, Utah, his hometown and Church are very proud of him.

DAvid ArchuletaI watched a video of David singing “Smokey Mountain Memories,” a sad song about a displaced Appalachian family missing their Smokey Mountain home. David sang,

But I’ll keep leanin’ on my Jesus
I know he’ll love and guide and lead us
Appalachian memories keep me strong

Who is Jesus to David Archuleta? According to the web site of David’s church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormon understanding of Jesus “is significantly different from that of traditional Christianity.” So different, in fact, that the last Prophet and President of the LDS Church said Mormons don’t believe in the traditional Christ (Gordon B. Hinckley, LDS Church News, week ending June 20, 1998, p.7). Another leader in the LDS Church taught that Mormons worship a different Jesus than other Christians (LDS Seventy Bernard P. Brockbank, Ensign, May 1977, p.26). And an apostle of the Mormon Church even went so far as to say that all non-Mormon Christendom have “debased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ” (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 269).

So who is this Jesus that Mormons believe in? How is he different from the Jesus revealed in the Bible and worshipped by traditional Christians since Christ walked the earth 2000 years ago?

Traditional Christian theology states Jesus is the Creator of all things “in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through Him and for Him” (Colossians 1:16). Mormonism states that Jesus created many things, but not all things. He did not create Lucifer, for instance, who is identified in the Bible as the “power” we wrestle against in our spiritual battles (see Ephesians 6:10-12). In fact, according to Mormonism, Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer (Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15; Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).

In traditional Christian theology, Jesus is God and has always been God: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God” (John 1:1-2). According to Mormonism, Jesus was procreated by Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, born to them as a spirit son, and later achieved His Godhood by obedience to “all the Gospel truths and universal laws” (Gospel Principles, p. 11; The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 51).

These are just a few of the many differences that could be cited, but these are enough to demonstrate that the differences between the traditional Christ and the Mormon Christ are indeed very significant.

Which Jesus is David Archuleta leaning on? Which Jesus is the true Savior? Which Jesus do you trust with your eternal life?

For further reading:

One Door to Salvation
Who is the “Living Christ” of Mormonism?
Latter-day Prophets Speak

To Marry or Not to Marry

To Marry or Not to Marry: Singleness and the Glory of God: Part 1, Part 2 (MP3s)

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A Latter-day Look at Your Eternal Kingdom

From Family Exaltation by Archibald F. Bennett, Course 20, Genealogical Training Department for the Sunday Schools of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, published by the Deseret Sunday School Union Board, 1957:

THE BEGINNING OF YOUR ETERNAL KINGDOM. At a family meeting in Nauvoo in 1845, President Brigham Young gave these lucid teachings:

I will first set in order before these relations the true order of the kingdom of God and how families hereafter will be organized. . . . In all the kingdoms of the world you will find there will be only one King, and all will be governed as one family; every man will preside over his own family. We will have to work out some of the impurities. . . .

I will show you the order of the Kingdom as regards my own family; one of my sons is placed here, another there, another there, and so on. Yet I should be their ruler, savior, dictator, and governor. They would have innumerable posterity but all would join in harmony with my counsel; I should console, comfort, and advise them all. You and your children will rise up and administer unto your children, and you will rule over your posterity, and they may get up into tens, hundreds, thousands, and millions. Yet all will finally join with Adam who will be the king of all; Seth comes next; Seth rules under his father and over all; so this process will never end. This is the order of the kingdom of heaven, that men should rise up as kings and priests of God. We must have posterity to rule over. I calculate, if I am blessed, that I will have an innumerable host of my own, the same as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. (page 79; ellipses and emphasis retained from the original)

Many questions may arise after reading this passage, and I invite you to give voice to whatever is on your mind. One of the questions I have is, Where is Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ in this scheme? “This is the order of the kingdom of heaven,” Brigham Young said. The LDS Bible Dictionary says the kingdom of heaven is the celestial kingdom; and the glossary on mormon.org says both Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ reside there. So how do they fit into this family pyramid whose “king of all” is Adam?

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