Comments on: An Open Response to Allen Wyatt

By: traveler

traveler — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:49:52 +0000

As far as the old “Mark of Cain” issue -well racism (or the justification for this sort of behaviour) is part of many religions.

While I find it infantile that no one is willing to say anything about it, even to admit that it was an issue in the past -let alone ‘apologize’ about it, but I’m hardly surprized.

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”

By: falcon

falcon — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:47:04 +0000

If something happens once, it’s an event, if something happens over and over again, it’s a pattern. My observation is that there are consistent patterns of behavior within the LDS Church that indicates the whole joint is broken. I’ve been out on “The Mormon Curtain” one of many, I’m sure, exMo websites. Ouch! These folks take some pretty significant swipes at the topic at hand. These exMos are a totally different breed from the TBMs who contribute here. I often wonder why these exMos “get it” and our Mormon contributors here don’t. Then, why do certain families go for years ignoring and/or abiling for aberrent beavior in their clan without doing something about it? I agree, the Utah LDS are in a bind. It would be interesting to hear what the nonB Young sects of Mormonism have to say about this prophet? The fact is that the guy was no more a prophet than he was a turnip.

By: Aaron Shafovaloff

Aaron Shafovaloff — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:30:30 +0000

Woops, with the way our WordPress plugin works, any mp3s we link to from a post get auto-included in the podcast.

By: eric017

eric017 — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:08:11 +0000

So I was listening to the Mormon Coffee podcast episode “Still no Apology”. It appears as though this is a replay of a “Mormon Stories” podcast with Dehlin and who appears to be a Mormon who is black. All I can say is, they get it, and I believe the LDS authorities get it too. The reason why there is not formal apology (i.e. 30 years and still no apology) is because doing so would undermine the credibility of the entire LDS claim of authority. If Young got it wrong (and I most certainly believe he did, not just the curse of cain but much else) then what else did he get wrong? Issueing a formal apology would be tatamount to suggesting that Young was a false prophet.

Here is a question for the average Mormon, from this Christian’s prespective. Hypothetically, if Mormons are Christians and place thier whole faith in Jesus, who cares if Young was a false prophet or not? Because from my perspective, if a Christian’s faith is built entirely upon Jesus, Young is irrelevant.

By: mobaby

mobaby — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:25:32 +0000

The rap videos are a great conclusion.

The crux of the issue for Mormons is the claim of prophetic calling. To renounce a past teaching, to apologize explicitly for the teaching of Brigham Young is to undermine the very idea of the prophetic office he held. How can you trust anything he taught as truth, if he was so completely backwards and wrong on this AS a supposed prophet?? Christians can admit the errors of our past fallible leaders where they departed from scripture and gave into the cultural sins of their time. We renounce as teaching the truth or abiding in truth anyone who perpetrated evil and called it good. This goes on still today. As a matter of fact, the Bible warns us to beware of false prophets, wolves in sheep’s clothing. Even those who had much right in their teachings have areas of grave sin which we can and do denounce. But to have a prophet who is as fallible as anyone else? Who taught as revealed truth racist doctrines?? If he was so entirely backwards and wrong in this case, what else did he get wrong??? If you compare Brigham Young’s teachings against the Bible (as we MUST do with ANYONE claiming to teach God’s truth) the answer is clear.