…on that morning like this?
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Toward the dawn of the first day of the week,
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb…
the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid,
for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.
He is not here, for He has risen, as He said.
Matthew 28:1-6
Thank-you for helping me to remember Jesus’ sacrifice.
Fred
Fred, How did this video help you remember anything? According to LDS beliefs the atonement took place in the Garden, not on the cross.
fred,
That’s a really nice sentiment and I couldn’t agree more but can you tell me if Jesus’ sacrifice means the same thing to a Mormon as it does to a Christian?
There’s a couple of things that I know. First of all the Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus revealed in the Bible and believed upon by Christians. Second of all, Jesus sacrifice doesn’t mean the same thing to Mormons as it does to Christians.
So I know that I for one like to have people clearly define things or the nice sentiments will cloud reality. The language can hide the meaning.
On this Easter Sunday Christians celebrate the resurrection of God incarnate. That resurrection proves to us that Jesus death on the cross was in total payment for our sins. He, being God, was perfect and the only One who could atone for sin.
It’s called the substitutionary atonement. In other words Jesus took our place, He was our substitute on the cross. The resurrection proves that Jesus is who He said He was.
This gospel was preached by the apostles and taught to their disciples. The message, and the Church, was protected by the Holy Spirit down through the centuries. It was never lost. There’s an unbroken record and testimony of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Using the same Christian words but applying different meanings to the words is deception. Mormons today don’t go out of their way to articulate the difference between their gospel and that of the Christian church.
God bless all the friends I have made and people I have meet here this beautiful and amazing day! I’m not the most elequent of writers, so I’ll let my favorite easter hymn speak for me here.
I know that my Redeemer lives;
What comfort this sweet sentence gives!
He lives, He lives, who once was dead;
He lives, my ever living Head.
He lives to bless me with His love,
He lives to plead for me above.
He lives my hungry soul to feed,
He lives to help in time of need.
He lives triumphant from the grave,
He lives eternally to save,
He lives all glorious in the sky,
He lives exalted there on high.
He lives to grant me rich supply,
He lives to guide me with His eye,
He lives to comfort me when faint,
He lives to hear my soul’s complaint.
He lives to silence all my fears,
He lives to wipe away my tears
He lives to calm my troubled heart,
He lives all blessings to impart.
He lives, my kind, wise, heavenly Friend,
He lives and loves me to the end;
He lives, and while He lives, I’ll sing;
He lives, my Prophet, Priest, and King.
He lives and grants me daily breath;
He lives, and I shall conquer death:
He lives my mansion to prepare;
He lives to bring me safely there.
He lives, all glory to His Name!
He lives, my Jesus, still the same.
Oh, the sweet joy this sentence gives,
I know that my Redeemer lives!
TJay,
I guess I’d say the same to you as I said to fred.
Who is your Redeemer?
Is it the Jesus we read about in the Bible? Is it the One who went to a cross of shame and shed His blood that all who come to Him in faith will be granted eternal life? Is this Jesus you speak about the eternal God?
Or is this Jesus you’re speaking about the same one that Brigham Young spoke about when he said that the Mormon heavenly father had actual physical sex with the Virgin Mary? Is this Jesus the one who started out being one person in the BoM and then later changed to someone else.
Is this Jesus you speak about the one who was the spiritual offspring of a god who use to be a man and one of his many wives who live on or near the planet Kolob?
If you’re wondering why I keep banging away at this it’s because who Jesus is, is the most important question a person can answer.
When you and fred make posts like you did above it angers me to my core. What you are doing is deceitful and despicable. Your jumping in here and flaunting your false religion, your false god and your false Jesus.
What Mormons do is an insult to the Savior. You and all Mormons demean Him.
Even His sacrifice on the cross is demeaned by Mormons as they place the atonement in the Garden. His sacrifice is seen only as a “help as needed” if the Mormon doesn’t do enough to make himself into a God.
Don’t talk about Jesus until you come to know Him.
TJay,
I am a member of Lutheran Church – we sang that very hymn you quoted “I Know that My Redeemer Lives” – written by a Baptist Pastor in 1700’s. Word for word as you published it here, we sang it (although in a slightly diffferent order). Interesting, isn’t it that all these contentious factions of Christianity, these false apostate pastors, share a common hymnal in many respects, a common understanding of salvation in the most essential way, and a common Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Samuel Medley, who wrote this song, was a Baptist pastor in Liverpool, England. This pastor is someone who would have been described by Joseph Smith as ascribing to creeds which “were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” It is an great song, written by someone who pointed and continues to point people to the Savior, despite what Joseph Smith had to say.
I might ask fred and TJay if they worship, adore, praise, pray to and pray in the name of Jesus? Is the Mormon Jesus the One that Billy Graham, for example, preached about all those years; the One he asked people to come forward to accept as Lord and Savior.
I really get exercised, as I’m sure the readers can tell, with the subterfuge and just plain deceit that Mormons practice when it comes to Our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.
Mormon missionaries ride their bikes up and down the streets of cities and towns around the world proclaiming a false gospel with a false Jesus and the game is to make it all look like the norm of Christianity. The idea is to hide what they really believe regarding Jesus.
4/5 is right when it comes to every denomination of Christianity all recognizing the same Jesus, the same Christ. The one major reason that Mormonism isn’t acceptable to Christianity is because of their view of Jesus. The one sect of Mormonism that does acknowledge Jesus in the same manner is the Community of Christ. They reflect Mormonism in its original form. In fact even Joseph Smith’s wife and son were members of this group; the son being the leader.
“The LDS Church teaches that there is a myriad of Gods on various worlds. The LDS Godhead is tri-theistic, or composed of three separate and distinct Gods, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. According to its official website, the CofC states, ‘We affirm the Trinity – God who is a community of three person. All things that exist owe their being to God: mystery beyond understanding and love beyond imagination. This God alone is worthy of our worship.’
For more see:
http://www.mrm.org/rlds
This is a pretty good time and place to post this quote from former Mormon “prophet” G.B. Hinckley:
“In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.’ ‘No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'” (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and I (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.
(CARM)
So for Mormons to show-up here and post about “Jesus” is really more of the same, which is to talk about Jesus but not give any hint of who it is they are talking about. It’s just more Mormon hide and go seek.
I have to wonder how LDS can be justified in “rejoicing” over the resurrection given how I understand the LDS version of the “fall”. Obviously they can rejoice upon an ignorance of this issue or by simply thinking of something else completely. But…
I believe the BoM teaches that God gave two contradictory commandments- 1) Replenish the earth (something they couldn’t do until they fell anyway – which is strange enough as it is), 2) Don’t eat of the Tree of Knowledge (which would make them die, but also allow the fall and reproductivity – which is also a bit amusingly strange given the importance of intelligence/knowledge/learning in LDS theology). Given that they were commandments and that they were contradictory (don’t eat the thing that will allow you to reproduce, but reproduce!) this seems to obviously make the fall not only part of Heavenly Father’s plan but also that the fall was God’s own doing or trick.
Given this, how much rejoicing and thankfulness is justified for God simply correcting (the re-immortalizing of humans) the problem he setup and put in motion (human mortality)? If the fall was necessary for the development of humans and the resurrection necessary to show that we were now immortal again, isn’t the resurrection just a matter of course? Is it really to be rejoiced over, that God flipped the switch one way (the fall) then flipped it the other (the resurrection/immortality of humans)?
Obviously connected to the resurrection, the sacrifice of Christ also seems to fall victim to this view of the Fall so that we would have to wonder how an LDS, cognizant of this “fall”, would be able to be justifiably and actually thankful for Gethsemane and the Cross and Easter. And Heavenly Father and their Jesus.
“Thank-you for helping me to remember Jesus’ sacrifice.”
If you need help remembering Jesus’ sacrifice you don’t know Jesus