Deseret News reports that the Postum which has “reigned for decades as the ‘Mormon coffee’ among members of the LDS Church” was discontinued by Kraft Foods due to a decline in demand. We at Mormon Coffee welcome those now seeking another alternative to regular coffee. We have no plans to stop stocking our shelves with words of wisdom and, with no longer any competitors, look forward to being the new king of the Mormon Coffee hill!
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- The Word of Wisdom, chapter 18 of The Changing World of Mormonism
Thanks Aaron, I have been to several stores lately and there is no Postum on the shelves and I, a regular postum drinker, was concerned, now I know.
King of the Mormon Coffee hill is nothing more than an unelected position. I would rather be the Knight, a fierce warrior, protecting the King and all his kingdom, with honesty, bravery, and rescue the damsel in distress (investigators) from the fiery flames of the lost doctrine of Jesus Christ. The King is lost, and his Kingdom, (Mormon Coffee) is crumbling, the peasants do not worship anymore at the alter of fabrication, all is lost unless the White Knight can defeat the Confused Dragon, (Inerrant Bible), and replace the Round Table, (Pastors, Priest, Scribes), with New untainted Knights ( Apostles, Prophets) that bring forth a New Charter, (Book of Mormon).
Thanks Aaron for the Postum remark, I finally learned something from you.
I can’t figure out why anyone would want Postum Mormonism when they can have full flavored Christianity.
Hank you make me laugh, I love your stories, however I don’t think Aaron was claiming to be a king, rather Mormon Coffee would become, for lack of a better word, the new “Mormon coffee” as Postum had been before. It’s called satire. Oh and your analogy is forever flawed, because the King is Jesus(Revelation 17:14), His Kingdom will reign forever (Luke 1:33), He is also the White Knight (Revelation 19:15ff), the Dragon is the Devil who causes people to reject the Word of God for the words of men (Revelation 12:1ff), the Church was never lost and will never be lost(Ephesians 3:20-21, Matthew 16:18), and we are but bond servants(Revelation 19:10), and if you are regenerate by the Grace of Christ alone, you are a friend of God (John 15:15), and become by adoption a son of God(Galatians 4:4-6).
Also a note on the Words of Wisdom, I am pretty sure it says something about not eating meat except on during a famine, in the cold, or in the winter… hope you don’t barbecue for the Fourth of July.
Lautensack
P.S. Happy New Year everyone.
Lautensack said
Sadly the WoW does not say Coffee or tea, it says HOT DRINKS, Yet LDS define Hot drinks as Coffee or tea, but as to the rest of the WoW as you pointed out, them seem to ignore it and do not follow it. Maybe some do, but I have meet plenty that only follow the Do not drink coffee part. Rick b
I also read the WoW and saw that it said “hot drinks”, and am a little confused as to why Mormons will drink “hot” cocoa but not “cold” tea… When I asked a Mormon about it, she shrugged it off and said “it’s about being healthy”… and yet she’ll down gallons of diet coke and hot chocolate. I don’t get it.
I LOVE the points Lautensack addressed above, couldn’t have said it better.
Happy New Year!
I personally like to refer to the Bible for something that relates to this topic:
I’ve been told that “hot drinks” in the WoW refers to coffee and tea, but not necessarily to the caffeine content of each. After all, I’ve been told a person could lose a recommend from drinking decaf. So… wouldn’t this Postum also fall under WoW, since the caffeine content doesn’t matter? Or does “hot drinks” only refer to actual coffee beans? So, only the substance used to make the coffee matters? If that’s the case, then is it okay to have raspberry tea or peach tea, since they’re made with a different substance? I’m confused here.
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L O L, Aaron.
Too funny.
Lautensack, states —the Church was never lost and will never be lost (Ephesians 3:20-21,
Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
Great verse, but it’s not about the Church, read the scripture.
Key words— Glory to Christ Jesus, throughout all generation–
“Both the Old and New Testaments foretell of the apostasy or great falling away. Paul, in 2 Thessalonians 2 tells them that the second coming of Christ would happen after a “falling away.” The original Greek, Latin, and Spanish bibles use the word “apostasia” instead of “falling away” to describe the period that would precede the second coming of the Lord.” Reference –ldsdoctrine.blogspot.com/2006/12/great-falling-away.html
(2 Thes. 2: 3)
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
(Amos 8: 11).
¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Acts 3: 19,20,21.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the
times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath
spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
What basis do you have for Ephesians 3:20 and 21 not talking about the church? “20Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, 21to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.”
You are saying that his, the his here is God the Father by the way, not Jesus Christ, glory will not be in the Church and Christ throughout all generations? Because a single generation without the church negates this verse, so either Paul lied or a total apostasy never happened. While all here will admit there are those who become apostate and apostasy does happen, my personal favorite verse on apostasy is 2 Timothy 4:3 “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” Here and in 2 Thessalonians a total apostasy is never mentioned, nor are all men to fall away. As for the verse in Amos, it is clearly talking about the destruction and restoration of Israel, read chapters 8 and 9, please if you make an argument from scripture take all of scripture into account. I will leave you with a few words on the misuse of scripture and reading things into it that simply are not there, such as total apostasy.
“15And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:15-16
Lautensack
Since there is a persistent plea for straight forward answers, let me try on the WoW.
True, the original revelation specified ‘hot drinks.’ Church membets asked for clarification, and the current Prophet specified ‘coffee and tea’ with no further elaboration. So, coffee and tea it is.
There are lots of other bad hot drinks (and cold drinks) and I raise an eye brow at what some others of my LDS friends guzzle when they won’t touch coffee or tea. However, abstinence from the expressly forbidden is testiment to their allegience to their sacred covenants. In religious terms, that’s the important part. Their intake of other harmful substances suggests they don’t ‘get’ the health part.
Lautensack,
In the words of one eminent historian, “Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it. The Greek mind, dying, came to a transmigrated [new] life in the theology and liturgy of the Church.” (Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, 3:595.)
Thomas Jefferson, though not a cleric in the usual sense, was a great student of Christianity. Even he acknowledged the loss of the original gospel and said that he looked forward to “the prospect of a restoration of primitive Christianity.”
Where oh where are the prophets and apostles, where did they go. Where is the authority to act in the Name of God? Where is his Priesthood. Do the Catholics have it, the Baptist maybe, no let check the Methodist, EV’s do they have it? Lost, or was lost and restored in it’s fullness, The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS.
“There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:15-16
Man made concept of a Triune Trinity, The Nicene Creed, not found in any scripture but left to the laity in the supposed Church of the time. Left up in the air is the principle of Baptism not being essential to enter the kingdom of God, because you would have to accept works, and The EV’s cannot accept that because faith alone is all that is required. Wow, where or where are the prophets, and apostles?
If you don’t already know there is a saving grace, my father dislikes postum and drinks Pero instead. So take heart afoul mormons, you can still have better tasting (he says) coffee substitute.
Hank, You need to read about the Prophet Isiah, He thought after Killing the false Prophets of Baalam he alone was left. God told him 7,000 were around and he set them aside, God did not allow the Church to fall into a total Apoasty. The verses you quote about the great falling away is still yet to come. Rick b
Hank,
One, Jefferson was not a Christian but a Deist, who cut parts of the bible out because he didn’t like them and rejected Christ as the promised Messiah.
As for Christianity becoming Hellenistic I have to disagree, I do agree that early Christians, such as Paul, found a common ground with the philosophers of Greece (Acts 17:22ff) yet He pointed out where they were wrong, Augustine did the same thing with the works of Plato, submitting that Plato was a very smart man, but he clearly missed the point in a few places. The Gospel and letters of John were written to combat Gnostic philosophers, and Paul tells us not to be taken captive by philosophy (Col. 2:8)
As for the pagan influence we took their holidays, December 25 is one example, and made them about Christ. Because the day did not matter so much as what it was about, it went from a day of spirit worship, to a day where we celebrate God becoming flesh to take away the sins of the world.
You ask where the Priesthood is, and every true believer of Christ is a member of a Royal Priesthood(1 Peter 2:9) in Christ, who Himself is the High Priest of an nontransferable priesthood (Hebrews 7-9).
To say the Trinity is man made means rejecting parts of Scripture such as Deuteronomy 6:4 or John 1:1ff or 1 John 5:20.
Where are the apostles and prophets? They are at the foundation of our beliefs with Christ as the Cornerstone.(Ephesians 2:19-21) And we build upon that foundation that they left us, the Old and New Testaments. To continually lay the foundation does not build a kingdom very well. Also where are the evangelists and pastors in your church if you’re pointing to Ephesians 4:11 as the basis for having Prophets and Apostles?
Baptism, not required, but a natural progression due to the love of God one has for the grace given to a sinner such as yourself, publicly declaring Jesus to be God, Lord, and Savior of your soul. Having no merit attached to it but simply loving God for being who He is.
Lautensack
“One, Jefferson was not a Christian but a Deist, who cut parts of the bible out because he didn’t like them and rejected Christ as the promised Messiah.”
Check your history which in full context reveals that Jefferson wrote his own Bible, quoting his favorite verses spoken by Christ.
He had distain for the preachers and pastors in his day.
And who in your church speaks for God? Who interprets your doctrine? Why all the confusion, and where is the unity of faith.?
Hank, you want to talk about unity, when we here can’t even get LDS to agree on whether or not God had physical sex with Mary (to cite a recent example)?
Lautensack, I couldn’t have said it any better.
Hank, heres the point. Like with the “falling away”, you interpret scriptures with an LDS spin on them. When you quoted those verses, I was honestly thinking all along that its speaking of in the future of now, as Rick pointed out. It’s funny how I didn’t even know what Rick believed about those scriptures but that we came to the same conclusion. Thats probably because we have 1) the Holy spirit opening our eyes to the truths of the Bible, and 2) an orthodox Christian background.
“And who in your church speaks for God? Who interprets your doctrine? Why all the confusion, and where is the unity of faith.?”
God speaks for himself through his word. God’s word interprets our doctrine. What confusion and disunity of faith? I have been to many different church’s and have yet to run across some heretical belief. I can’t say the same for the LDS ward I’ve been going to for the past 4 and a half years. God once being a man is one of the biggest ones of them all. And your wonderful prophet decided to dodge that very simple doctrine when it was brought up even though it has been spoken of consistently by past prophets.
The only difference I saw was one church let women hold pastor positions and the other didn’t. The thing is, is the LDS mind yearns for organization and some sort of leader other than Jesus Christ because it has been conditioned that way. That all other church’s must be some sort of abomination because it looks scattered. The LDS look far to deep into the general membership of traditional Christianity and their ideas than they do God’s word.
Instead of making a blanket statement of the major differences of Christianity, list them out. You will find that the major doctrines found in the Bible, still hold as foundation for the evangelists.
Funny you mention apostasy. From my perspective, the creation of the Mormon faith could be a major sign of the falling away. It falls farther and farther as membership grows
HankSaint wrote:
“And who in your church speaks for God? Who interprets your doctrine? Why all the confusion, and where is the unity of faith.?”
1) God speaks for God, through His word.
2) Scripture interprets Scripture, so again God.
3) The traditional Christian faith is unified in the Gospel it is with secondary issues that there are divisions, Romans 14 clears this up. However with people who disagree with doctrines which are essential we are to avoid them (Romans 16:17-20) which is why Christianity will not except Mormonism as simply another denomination.
Lautensack
Hank said
funny thing Hank, I was wondering the same thing when it come to the LDS, FLDS, RLDS and all the other lds off shoot groups. Rick b
Great post, all of you. It’s been interesting to see that the same old issues are still being debated 🙂
Talk about the unity of faith and doctrine:
“The Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches accept baptism performed by other denominations within this group as valid, subject to certain conditions. It is only possible to be baptized once, thus people with valid baptisms from other denominations may not be baptized again upon conversion or transfer. Such people are accepted upon making a profession of faith and, if they have not yet validly received the sacrament of confirmation, by being confirmed. In some cases it can be difficult to decide if the original baptism was in fact valid; if there is doubt, conditional baptism is administered, with a formula on the lines of “If you are not yet baptized, I baptize you….”
In the still recent past, it was common practice in the Roman Catholic Church to baptize conditionally almost every convert from Protestantism because of a perceived difficulty in judging about the validity in any concrete case. In the case of the major Protestant Churches, agreements involving assurances about the manner in which they administer baptism has ended this practice, which sometimes continues for other groups of Protestant tradition. The Catholic Church has always recognized the validity of both baptism and chrismation in the Churches of Eastern Christianity.” Reference Wikipedia
Why all the hoopla, if Baptism is not necessary. Acknowledge your faith in Christ, anything else is just ritual I guess.
In the Latter Day Saint movement (Mormonism), baptism is recognized as the first ordinance of the gospel. As with many other Restorationist faiths, baptism must be by immersion for the remission of sins (meaning that through baptism, past sins are forgiven), and occurs after one has shown faith and repentance. LDS baptism does not intend to remit any sins other than personal ones, as the LDS Church does n
In minor points of doctrine, there is little unity in Christian denominations. However, in the chief points of doctrine, they are the same
1. God is trinitarian in nature
2. Jesus is the Christ
3. We trust in Jesus for salvation.
In this way, all of these denominations are “undeniably Christian” as the saying is, and therefore undeniably unified in some way. I also fail to see how prophets and apostles maintain unity, what with FLDS and RLDS around. There’s not even an ounce of unity there (nor should there be, I guess, especially with FLDS). The point is, there isn’t unity among those who believe in Joseph Smith, either. Also, as stated before, with prophets “speculating” and such confusion over what is official doctrine and what isn’t, it’s hard to even see what one is unified with. At least most Christian denominations (not all, but most) have official doctrine in order.
Have no idea about the others, and why should I when we have the original made in the USA. 🙂
Of course you got the oneness and the trinity debate, not my problem though. We also have number 2 and 3. But because of recent visions and revelation number one just doesn’t cut it anymore. 🙂