The Pattern of Mormon Temples

Payson TempleLast week I returned from a visit to Utah. While there, I took a tour of the Mormon Church’s newly completed Payson Temple. As is the normal practice for temple open houses, the tour began with a video about Mormon temples. And as is usual for the temple open house videos, the claim is made that Mormon temples are a restoration of ancient biblical temples. I don’t have an exact quote from the video, but the idea it expressed is reflected in a comment recently made by a Mormon Seventy:

“Temples are patterned after Solomon’s temple and honor the Lord and express our gratitude.” (Kent R. Richards (Director of the LDS Church’s Temple Department), Payson LDS Temple: A Special Edition of the Daily Herald, April 15 2015, 14)

Mr. Richards’ remark is right in line with — or, one might say “patterned after” — information found in an older pamphlet produced by the Mormon Church:

“In Biblical times sacred ordinances were administered in holy edifices for the spiritual salvation of ancient Israel. The buildings thus used were not synagogues, nor any other ordinary places of worship. They were specially constructed for this particular purpose…. Following the pattern of Biblical days, the Lord again in our day has provided these ordinances for all who will believe, and directs that temples be built in which to perform those sacred rites.” (Mark E. Petersen, Why Mormons Build Temples, 3. Ellipses mine)

My tour of the Payson temple took me through many rooms on several floors of a very large building (96,630 square feet). I saw:

  • A reception area/recommend desk
  • A baptism clothing/towel rental area
  • A baptismal font
  • Locker rooms
  • Waiting rooms
  • Initiatory rooms
  • Ordinance rooms
  • Sealing rooms
  • Grand staircases
  • Upholstered furniture
  • Crystal chandeliers
  • And more…

This is the floor plan of one floor of a typical Mormon Temple:

LDSTempleFloor Plan

This is the floor plan of Solomon’s Temple as described in the Bible (see 1 Kings 6-7):

SolomonTempleFloorPlan

The Mormon Church may claim its temples are “patterned after” Solomon’s Temple, but in reality, there is nothing common to both other than the fact that they are both structures that are called “temples.” Neither the buildings themselves, nor those things that take/took place within them correspond to one another. King Solomon explained,

“Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God…” (2 Chronicles 2:4)

Solomon understood that the temple was for a very specific purpose:

“Who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him?” (2 Chronicles 2:6, KJV)

The biblical temple was for offering sacrifices as temporary atonement for sin. It pointed to Christ as the full, final, and sufficient sacrifice. As Christian theologian John Piper noted,

“But all the Old Testament believers knew that the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sin (Hebrews 10:4). They pointed beyond themselves to Christ, who was the final sacrifice for sin. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 5:7, ‘Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.’ That was the final sacrifice for sin, because it was perfect and sufficient for all who believe. Most clearly of all Hebrews 10:12 says, ‘When Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.’ So Christ brought to an end the Old Testament sacrifices for sin. He finished the great work of atonement. His death cannot be improved on. All we have to do now is trust him for that great work. We do not add to it.”

Mormon temples, on the other hand, are built for these purposes:

“These two great purposes – eternal marriage (binding the family for time and eternity), and opening the door of the kingdom for those who have died without an adequate opportunity to accept the [restored] Gospel of Jesus Christ and its essential ordinances [i.e., baptism for the dead, etc.]…

“In addition there is the Temple ‘endowment,’ which is also an ordinance pertaining to man’s eternal journey and limitless possibilities and progress…

“This is why Temples are built.” (President David O. McKay, “The Purpose of the Temple,” pamphlet published by the LDS Church, 1974, 10-11)

The Mormon Church has every right to build temples according to any design and for any purpose it pleases, but here’s the problem. The Church proclaims that Mormon temples are “patterned after” Solomon’s temple, and that Mormon temples are a restoration of ancient biblical temples, built for the performance of biblical ordinances. These assertions are completely untrue. And considering the fact that every detail of the biblical temple is clearly presented in the Bible, the Mormon Church knows its assertions are untrue. Which means the Church is willfully deceiving people about Mormon temples.

And so I believe these temples accomplish the opposite of the claim made by Kent Richards. Mormon temples do not “honor the Lord”; they dishonor the Lord through deception.

About Sharon Lindbloom

Sharon surrendered her life to the Lord Jesus Christ in 1979. Deeply passionate about Truth, Sharon loves serving as a full-time volunteer research associate with Mormonism Research Ministry. Sharon and her husband live in Minnesota.

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30 Responses to The Pattern of Mormon Temples

  1. Tom says:

    And temples are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Mormon claims that their restoration follows Biblical patterns. Modern LDS church organization is not patterned after first (or second, or third) century Christian church organization. Priesthood leadership organization is not patterned after New Testament notions of either priesthood or leadership organization. Missionary work does not follow any Biblical pattern. The Book of Mormon is not like the Bible. The role of prophets in the Mormon church is not the same as the role prophets took/had in the Old Testament. The role of apostles is not the same–there is no real discernible correlation between the ancient apostles and the current batch. There is more, but you get the picture. Mormonism restored nothing. Indeed, there was absolutely no need for a restoration in the first place.

  2. falcon says:

    What? Say it isn’t so!
    The LDS church is being deceptive regarding their temples being patterned after the Jewish temple? I simply can’t believe this. The leaders of the “one true church” would deceive people? OOPS! There has to be some Mormon clause that can be invoked here so that it can all be explained. How about progressive revelation? Will that cover it?
    As all who follow my comments on MC know, this idea of first century Christian temples is one of my main hobby horses. I notice that the reference is to temples in Biblical times. I’m guessing that means the OT. Perhaps that’s the escape clause that can be invoked. But wait a minute. Isn’t the modern day LDS church claiming that they have restored all of the things that were lost after the death of the apostles?
    Not only has Mormonism restored Christian temples and all of the rituals that first century Christians performed in these Christian temples, but the lost priesthood has also been restored. Smith claimed that John the Baptist appeared to him for the purpose of the priesthood restoration, but I don’t know who exactly appeared to Smith and restored the temples. He even had an angel with a sword appear to him telling him he’d kill (Smith) if polygamy wasn’t restored; at least that was the line Smith used to seduce one of the women he claimed as a wife.
    So, how many Christian temples were built before the apostles died? Did the Christians just use the Jewish temple in Jerusalem? Are the rituals practiced in the modern day restored LDS church the same rituals performed by the Jews in their temple?
    I must admit to getting slightly frustrated and agitated at the total stupidity that forms the basis of LDS claims. When push-comes-to-shove, the LDS have to come up with conspiracy theories to make it all work. It’s one big game of “let’s pretend”.

  3. falcon says:

    Broken record here! Why don’t Mormons take about two minutes, real time, and do a google search regarding the Jewish temples. Here was my question entered in the search bar: “How many Jewish Temples were there?” Here’s just a small portion of the information I found.

    “If Solomon reigned from 970 to 930 BC, then he began building the temple in 966 BC. A very interesting fact concerning the building of the temple was there was no noise of the construction. The material was prepared before it was brought to the building site. The house, while it was being built, was built of stone prepared at the quarry, and there was neither hammer nor axe nor any iron tool heard in the house while it was being built (1 Kings 6:7). The Bible’s description of Solomon’s temple suggests that the inside ceiling was 180 feet long, 90 feet wide, and 50 feet high. The highest point on the temple that King Solomon built was actually 120 cubits tall (about 20 stories or about 207 feet). First Kings 6:1–38 and chapters 7—8 describe the construction and dedication of the temple under Solomon.”

    “Until the temple was destroyed by the Babylonians some four hundred years later, in 586 BC, sacrifice was the predominant mode of divine service there. Seventy years later, a second Temple was completed on the same site, and sacrifices again resumed. The book of Ezra chronicles the building of the second temple. During the first century, Herod greatly enlarged and expanded this temple, which became known as Herod’s temple. It was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70, during the siege of Jerusalem. Only a small portion of the retaining wall remains to this day, known as “The Wailing Wall.”

    Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Solomon-first-temple.html#ixzz3ZpxO3oK7

    Now how difficult is that? But here’s the problem. Evidence and facts mean absolutely nothing to a true believer. They will always find a way to invent information to fit their predetermined narrative. All they know is that they read the BoM, it created a feeling in them, the feeling is interpreted as a sign from God that everything Mormon is true (not just the BoM) and off to the races they go.

  4. historybuff says:

    Although Mormons are very proud of their temples, there’s one thing they will be reluctant to mention: all those “sealing rooms” are used for joining both living and deceased Mormons into polygamous marriages with living and deceased persons.

    For example, a widower might be sealed in a polygamous marriage to a new living bride. This polygamous union will be realized in the next life. Or living Mormons may perform vicarious polygamous marriages for deceased persons, uniting one man to several women in the hereafter. These polygamous marriages occur frequently in the temples today.

    When Mormons claim that their church abandoned polygamy in 1904 — they used to claim it happened in 1890, but it turns out that was just a charade by church leaders — Mormons are discreetly sidestepping the fact that they are actively performing polygamous marriages that will become effective in the next life.

  5. MistakenTestimony says:

    Sharon, have you prayed about this yet? Because if you pray about this with your whole heart doubting nothing then the Holy Ghost will reveal to you that modern temples are truly patterned after Solomon’s temple. Why would you place your faith in the things that men claim to be true? Shouldn’t you rather trust the Holy Ghost when he reveals to you that the Church is true? Proverbs 3:5.

  6. Mike R says:

    Tom, you were spot on with your comment .

    The Mormon church is so slick in how it advertises it’s message . It is the master of using half truths to sell Mormonism as being the exact same church Jesus established through His apostles and the gospel of salvation they were sent out to preach . Mormons , in order to appeal to their Bible believing audience , has to somehow squeeze Mormonism into the Bible in order to successfully proselytize . Sadly , they have snowed many people by this tactic . One example :

    ” The church of Christ — which is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints — has been organized as we testify according to THE ORIGINAL PATTERN , with apostles , prophets , with Evangelists , and teachers and the various offices that were contained in the ancient church , having all the essential features of the primitive church . But not this alone . The gospel as taught is claimed to be the same gospel in every particular as was preached by the Savior while upon the earth and committed by Him to His apostles to declare to all nations the same doctrine , the same ordinances , same gifts and same blessings .” [ Pres. George Q. Cannon 1881 , JofD v 22 p. 359 ] .

    It seems that Kent Richard and apostle Petersen used that same tactic in trying to convince their audience about the Mormon temple compared to Solomon’s temple . However , as Sharon has shown the Mormon temple has not been patterned after the Jewish temple in Biblical days in any important way .

  7. historybuff says:

    Mormons will explain that the reason their temple ceremonies bear a remarkable resemblance to 19th Century Masonic ceremonies is that both the Freemasons and the Mormons received these rituals from God: the Freemasons passed them down from Biblical times and the Mormons received them directly from God by revelation. http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/masonicsymbolsandtheldstemple.htm

    This may be true, but there is a curious coincidence that bears mention. Joseph Smith became a Freemason, and shortly afterward introduced the rituals and ceremonies in question into his temple ritual. Mormons will explain that this is just a coincidence and that Joseph Smith did not “borrow” the temple rituals from the Freemasons. That would be quite a coincidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry

  8. historybuff says:

    And Mormons do not believe they are being deceitful when they describe the function of their temples. This Mormon belief that their temples perform the same function as the ancient Jewish temples is not based in a desire to deceive anyone. It’s simply based in ignorance.

  9. Mike R says:

    historybuff,
    I would agree with you that Mormons do not believe they are being purposely deceptive when they describe their temples as ” following the pattern of Biblical days ….” . However , I think that using statements like that will end up being deceptive to those who take them at face value whether the intent was on purpose or not . Full disclose is important in ” selling” one’s claims . I think a good example of this is how there is a statue of Joseph Smith and Emma in Temple square . It’s designed to show the virtue of Smith as a devoted husband etc . But is it deceptive when the other dozens of his wives are absent from being depicted there with him also ? I think so . Many Mormons themselves have been stunned in recent years to discover Smith was a polygamist . On many fronts in public venues I think Mormon leaders or their P.R. Dept could be more consistent with full disclosure .

  10. falcon says:

    Buff
    Is the ignorance that of Mike and Molly Mormon or of the leadership? See this is what bothers me about this idea of whether or not Mormons are being deceitful. The information is readily available and knowable. Two minutes and a google search would get someone the information.
    I would agree people are ignorant when it comes to all sorts of information related to religion but it’s not that difficult to access the information and evaluate it.
    There’s a culture in Mormonism that leads to the membership being woefully ignorant. It’s a cult set-up where by the leaders have put deep fear into the people regarding looking into things that won’t promote the sect in a positive light.

  11. RikkiJ says:

    Sharon again has done a phenomenal job.

    Wonderful article. The ‘new’ covenant that we embrace in Christ requires no temple, for He is our temple. (Rev. 21:22, NASB) In turn, he also states that we are his ‘temples’ (1 Cor. 3:16, ESV):

    “Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

    Some additional points of interest:

    1. The need for a temple before Christ:

    • The Scarlet/crimson thread/scarf attached to the bull’s horns, offered by the high priest or ‘cohen hagadol’ would turn white giving meaning to “Though your sins be as scarlet, they will be white as snow.” (Isaiah 1:18) Yoma 39a-b
    • The Doors of Hekal would not open by themselves, but should be opened by a Levitical descendant
    • The Westernmost light shone (Menorah continued to burn) – Rashi called this the westernmost light, but it was the centrepiece of the candlestick Rashi

    2. The need for no temple after Christ:

    • The Scarlet/crimson thread/scarf attached to the bull’s horns, offered by the high priest or ‘cohen hagadol’ didn’t turn white but remained crimson Yoma 39a-b
    • The Doors of Hekal would open by themselves unlocked miraculously
    • The Westernmost light stopped shining (Menorah continued to burn) – Rashi called this the westernmost light, but it was the centrepiece of the candlestick Rashi

    This all took place 40 years before AD 70, which places this at the time Jesus died. Why then do we need a temple today? Why then do we need a Levitical priesthood today?

    Only Christ is the answer. Not a religion or a church; there’s no harm in joining one that subscribes to the Christianity of the scriptures.

  12. falcon says:

    RJ
    Very simple answer to your question/s.
    It’s because Mormonism, regardless of the sect, is a concoction of ideas that bear no resemblance to actual historical fact or orthodox Christian doctrine. Joseph Smith and those he was associated with were basically “blue sky” religious entrepreneurs. The reason that LDS doctrine is such a mess is because the religion can’t separate fact from fiction even within the confines of it’s own sect.
    They just sort of make it up as they go along, call it progressive revelation and excuse the real nutty stuff which was seen as true blue at the time, as folk doctrine or the mere opinion of the prophet.
    Just for fun, I’d encourage the rank-and-file LDS member do a compare and contrast exercise with the various sects of Mormonism. They all believe they have a prophet and the real deal restoration. I especially get a kick out of video presentations by FLDS folks. Even within that universe you will see a lot of variation. But true to form, they all follow that time honored Mormon tradition of free flow of thought.
    They truly are waves tossed here and there by wild winds, gushing up foam.

  13. historybuff says:

    All the commenters have pretty much figured it out. I’ve discussed the temple with many LDS and they all say the same thing. They will explain that most of the temple ordinances, like baptism for the dead, the endowment, the temple clothing, and the rituals, are revealed from God and are the same as those rituals performed in the temples anciently. As for polygamous marriages, they will concede that may be a minor embellishment directed by God in these latter days.

    They will explain that the Bible doesn’t go into detail on this because (1) the rites were sacred and secret; and (2) anything in the Bible affirming the LDS position has been removed from the Bible by those pesky early Christians, that evil Constantine, and all those deceitful early Catholics.

    And as for you nitpicking evangelicals, the Mormons would continue, your ancestors were probably the first to join that “scissors party” with the rest of them, snipping out the “many plain and precious things.” This all becomes clear when you realize that “the [Bible] hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church….” Book of Mormon,1 Nephi 13:28.

    By the way, don’t start feeling smug that the G&A (as LDS refer to the Great and Abominable Church of the Devil) is the Catholic Church. Today’s Mormons are much more ecumenical and will gladly include traditional Christians — that means you — in the G&A, which in Mormonspeak means all those who are against God and who fight against Zion, in all periods of time (also known as the “whore of all the earth.” … You’re welcome. …) (2 Ne. 10:16).

    So, you see, if historians today can’t find anything about LDS temple rituals in the Bible, it’s your fault. Again, you’re welcome.

  14. falcon says:

    Buff……..
    Absolutely. And that’s the fun of Mormonism. Just haul out the conspiracy theories and stuff revealed directly from God and anything and everything works. It’s truly a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants religion. Bottom line? How does it make you feel. If you feel good about it, that’s the Mormon god revealing it personally to you.
    Not to pick on some of my Evangelical and/or Pentecostal friends, but there’s a lot of that sort of thing that goes on even in denominations who have an orthodox view of doctrine. Some folks just really enjoy feeling things and connecting dots as they attempt to see God working in their lives. Most of it is fairly harmless, working right up to the toes at the line, without crossing over.
    Folks in the modern day prophetic movement are real practitioners of this type of deal. Now this is coming from someone (me) who is more inclined towards the personal revelatory experience as presented in First Corinthians 12, 13 and 14; hopefully seasoned with maturity and wisdom.

  15. historybuff says:

    Falcon —

    Would you say that you align more closely with the “Great and Abominable Church of the Devil” group that criticizes the Mormon Church, or with the “Whore of all the Earth” group that criticizes the Mormon Church? I think both groups allow for some overlap in membership, although I understand the “G&A” group does not allow the “Whore of the Earth” group to attend their office parties. And I think the “Whore of the Earth” group requires its members to wear fezzes. This gets very confusing…

  16. falcon says:

    Buff
    You know that LDS doctrinal all-star Bruce McConkie got into some trouble referring to the Catholic Church as the “whore of Babylon”. I believe it was in his book “Mormon Doctrine” which the LDS church will no longer claim or publish. This was the tome that generations of LDS faithful depended on for instruction. He was also said to be the “go to guy” for the LDS leadership to go to on manners of doctrine.
    Anyway, my understanding is that the Catholic Bishop in SLC got on the horn to the then LDS prophet and asked him about this assertion by McConkie. As you can imagine, there was a lot of back peddling.

    The Bishop of Salt Lake City of the Catholic Church, Duane Hunt, was upset and appealed to both David S. King, a devout Mormon who was just elected to congress, and McKay, who was a friend of Hunt’s, and said, “Why did you do this to us? We are your friends.”[73][74]

    “The Catholic bishop in Salt Lake City, Bishop Hunt, communicated to President McKay his displeasure with the book and what it said about the Catholic church.”[75]

    Although McKay had privately agreed with McConkie about Catholicism, the embarrassment over the book’s statements caused him to evaluate and relax his criticisms and foster cooperation with the Catholic Church.[77]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rich_jj/Sandbox/Mormon_Doctrine_%28book%29

  17. historybuff says:

    You’ve pointed out another curious fact about the LDS: although they are strict in enforcing their doctrines, it seems those doctrines change slightly every ten years or so. And once the doctrines change, nobody refers to the previous doctrine that was perfectly orthodox just a few years previous.

    Thus, it is very important for the LDS to keep current on their doctrines. Heaven forbid an unsuspecting Mormon should keep espousing a doctrine (like the Adam-God doctrine, polygamy, or denial of the priesthood to African Americans) after its been abandoned.

    In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if within a few years LDS leadership disavows all those statements about LDS temples and temple ceremonies being the same as those practiced by the early Christians.

  18. falcon says:

    Buff
    And that’s the way it works in the wonderland that is the LDS religion. The interesting thing is that the everyday Mormon just accepts it. It’s what the leaders say and that’s the end of it. One of the favorite testimony savers is when an arrogant TBM says, “I knew that a long time ago and it hasn’t effected my testimony one bit.” To deconstruct:
    “I knew that”, I’m really smart and super spiritual after all I’m a priesthood holder.
    “a long time ago”, you just get to the party fella…..this is old news….you need to get up to speed………..it’s meaningless information from the past.
    “hasn’t effected my testimony”, I’m rock solid in the primacy of the LDS church it being the one true church.

  19. RikkiJ says:

    @Falcon

    What’s odd is the anger expressed(by LDS faithful) when I ask why the LDS church practices doctrines that are clearly opposed or fail to meet the the legal requirements of Temple. The funny part is I should be the one getting upset that I’ve fed a pack of lies each time a MM tries to convince me the fermented lie package known as the LDS gospel.

    “And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come!” (Luke 17:1, ESV)

    The LDS gospel bears a double trap. You’re trapped if you believe, and if you as an LDS Member disbelieve/question the foundation of the LDS faith, then you may lose your faith in the Christ of the Bible (From the nonsense you have learned from the LDS Faith). I’ve heard in person, LDS members confessing having lost faith in true Christianity because their foundation is shattered after realizing their faith(as originally taught by the LDS Church) is based on a construction of sand.

  20. MJP says:

    Rikki– that is precisely why I see Mormonism as a dangerous and real threat to Christianity.

  21. historybuff says:

    Too true. Mormons have two very nasty habits that prevent many of them from accepting Christ:

    1. They enjoy bathing their babies in very dirty bath water and don’t seem to notice or care.

    2. When they finally realize what they’ve been doing and find the courage to change, they tend to throw the baby out with the bath water.

  22. falcon says:

    Even though Mormonism is a tough sell and despite the fact that the LDS sect is hemoraging members, it’s important that we keep fighting this spiritual battle against the forces of darkness in the heavenly places. I don’t see the Mormon people as the enemy but I do see the spirit behind Mormonism as a stronghold that needs to be confronted and defeated.
    The apostle Paul rightly said that our battle is not against flesh and blood. In a way, the Mormon people are a pathetic lot. They put all they have into this false religion and the system beats them (metaphorically speaking) like a borrowed mule.
    The key factor in Christianity is the Lord Jesus Christ. A person doesn’t need some religious system to attain for them eternal life. Being with the Father for eternity depends on our acceptance of His plan of salvation which is contained in His Son Jesus Christ. There are no rites or rituals that will save or guarantee anyone eternal life. Our behavior doesn’t even guarantee us eternal life. If that were so, all good moral people with exemplary behavior would be saved apart from Jesus Christ.
    Placing our faith in Jesus and not some worthless works done in faux temples is the key to salvation.

  23. lovehawaii says:

    They don’t show you the part of the temple on the tour where you go into a stall to be dabbed in oil do they?

  24. lovehawaii says:

    I don’t understand why the mormons are deceitful to their own people. Before I went thru the temple no one told me anything. All I thought was it was going to be the most spiritual day of my life and I got married there. Had no idea about other things happening but just the actual marriage. Thought there would be pictures of Christ everywhere and we would sing hymns or hear a talk. I really had no idea about anything! Yes I knew there was a temple packet but I wasn’t even allowed to look inside or see. I also found out I couldn’t try on garments and had no idea I had to wear them every day till after I went thru. (Yes my parents wore them but I thought it was just a personal choice they made or something) Had no idea I had to keep a bunch of promises. I don’t understand why before you don’t need protection from evil spirits needing a garment but after you do. I don’t know why they won’t be honest and tell you what you are promising before.. That to me is wrong! Exactly like this article said.

  25. historybuff says:

    An awful lot of LDS have similar problems with the temple ceremonies, the sealings and anointings. While I was LDS and assigned to fill temple assignments with volunteers from the ward, quite a number of LDS women in the ward told me they found the temple ceremonies, particularly the anointings, to be humiliating and embarrassing. They said they were never going back again to do vicarious work for the dead. They were very nice about it, but they were genuinely distressed by the whole thing.

  26. Mike R says:

    lovehawaii, welcome . Thanks for sharing your experience as Mormon . If I may ask , did you go through the temple endowment ceremony before 1990 ? ( 1990 : mimicking the gruesome penalties
    for divulging the secret name and tokens received was dropped ) .
    Thanks .

  27. lovehawaii says:

    No I went thru when I was 18 in 2002.

  28. SR says:

    Hi lovehawaii, welcome. Are you still Mormon? If so, what brings you here? If not, what brings you here? 🙂

    What stands out to me the most about this post and all the discussions is what usually does for me about Mormonism: the LDS church likes to explain their differences by saying “God revealed it” or that it’s not in the Bible “because it was lost” which in both instances aren’t things that are easy to argue against? Because there’s no tangible proof. Like the Book of Mormon, etc. Mormons are willing to believe in anything they’re told because most of the time there isn’t something contradicting it directly so it can be “lost” (but hopefully just never found, right?).

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  30. lovehawaii says:

    SR Sorry I just saw your comment and never looked at comments earlier last time I was here at Mormon Coffee.

    I am still mormon on the books but I don’t believe it anymore. I have been reading Mormon Coffee or visiting off and on for years. My husband is still a TBM.

    Yes what you say all makes sense.

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