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Thank you very much for making this video available. Living in the midwest of course, I wouldn’t have the opportunity to watch it on TV. It was really a blessing to me. Great spiritual food. Please keep posting these types of videos. If there is any simulcasting (?) available on the internet, please let me know.
My intent wasn’t to go through and DISPROVE Sandra Tanner as a credible source. If I was trying to disprove her, then, yes, it would require specific criticisms. However, it would be impossible given the limited space in the forum, and the limited time in my day. In addition, I think it’s somewhat of a waste to spend a serious amount of time trying to disprove other people’s beliefs (wink).
The intent was just to add a DISCLAIMER to the [implied] authority of your source. That’s fair, isn’t it? I owe it to readers to at least know that her basics aren’t quite straight, given the fact that I’m very familiar with those basics myself.
So, just a disclaimer… nothing more.
DJ, I deleted your earlier comment to make a point. If you’re going to attack someone’s credibility, you at least better be willing to give specific criticisms and reasons. Otherwise, you’re just “poisoning the well” in an unfair manner, and you’re expecting us to depend on your own sheer authority as a basis for your attack on someone else’s authority. If you’re going to attack Sandra’s credibility, be prepared to get specific with your criticisms.
How long ago was the list compiled? What were Sandra’s sources? I’m sure she didn’t just make up these definitions. The reason they did not seem “spot on” to you is probably because of the changing “doctrine” and philosophy of the mormon church. There are plenty of quotes from mormon leaders to other church members explaining that they are making an effort to appear/sound more “EV.” Her terms were probably more accurate when the list was first compiled.
DJ, if you’re going to be flippant instead of serious about the issues involved here, go to another forum. Otherwise, I’m “all ears” on any specific criticisms of Sandra’s list of terminology differences.
Looking forward to constructive dialog,
Aaron
PS Falcon, I’m glad the video was encouraging, I’ll try to get more up on YouTube! For more of Shawn’s videos see BornAgainMormon.com
Aaron,
I’ll look for the videos.
I get a kick out of the attempts of some to question Sandra’s credibility. She’s earned her spurs with years of intense study and research. She also has the pedegree as a decendent of BY. As to her motives, I would say “seeker of truth”. I admire her steadfastness in defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I trust the “prophetic powers” of the Tanners over that of the seers within the LDS church. It was the Tanners who did not buy into the Mark Hoffman forgeries back in the 80’s when the Quorum of the Twelve (including G.B. Hinkley) did. History vindicates the Tanners.
I see DJ was not ready to back up his criticisms of Sandra tanner with evidence Like Aaron pointed out, yet when we do this to the LDS they want our heads to roll. How come the double standerd? Rick b
I asked a Mormon few days back whether or not he knows LDS Church has sued anyone. I asked that because I heard in the news that a coffee company in Salt Lake City had to change their advt. because of copyright violations. The Mormon to whom I have asked the questions told me that the LDS Church has not sued anyone.
It is surprising to note that Sandra was sued by the LDS Church.
Isn’t steroids illegal in Utah, or does this guy live on some other planet with this Sandra Tanner?
Ok, I finally was able to watch the first 5 minutes until my eyes started drooping. Honestly, in the kindest way I can put it, she isn’t the brightest star in the milky way (neither is this McCurdy or whatever his name is). Nothing she said even remotely startled me.
Amanda,
Sounds like sours grapes. The personal attack is really beneath you. It kind of tells me how much LDS folks are intimidated by exmembers who are effective in refuting the restored gospel. Pretty standard technique on your part. That is, don’t challenge the message, attack the messenger.
falcon, I have heard the same kind of language from exmormons/Christians toward LDS members, so don’t be too quick to judge and generalize.
Anyways, I do have a sincere question. It’s not meant to attack anyone’s faith, I just seriously would like to know. I should say first that I am LDS myself.
Lately, and also in this video,- that’s why I ask it here- I have heard LDS being criticized for their believe in, what is in short, eternal progression.
So my question is: What do YOU believe? What will happen after resurrection and judgment day? What outlook does your faith give you?
What does the scripture in Revelation 3:21 mean to YOU? I am asking, because you probably think differently about it than a member of the LDS church would. Thanks, I’m looking forward to your replies.
“I think it’s somewhat of a waste to spend a serious amount of time trying to disprove other people’s beliefs (wink).”
Funny that you say that.. You guys have over 60,000 full time missionary’s doing that.. By preaching any set of beliefs, some if not most of them will contradict/oppose what someone already believes. For example, your leaders have denounced the Trinity. And in fact, since I attend an LDS ward every Sunday, I have been hearing the teachers in Sunday school say, many other Christian church’s believe this, but it simply is not true, it is truly this way…”
What I find even more funny is how the LDS church “disproves” Orthodox Christianity. They just simply say “Thats false.” Never providing any reference to scripture or ANYTHING. However evangelicals have ton of information available to disprove the LDS church.
I just came back from a trip to Utah to see a comment was deleted. (???) And, for no other reason than “you have to give specific reasons for criticisms”, and that I’m “poisoning the well”.
Aaron, I try to be fair in everything I write on here. I’ve given EVs credit for differences of opinion, and differences in belief, on numerous occasions. My post contained a simple opinion that questioned Sandra Tanner’s knowledge regarding the basics of Mormonism, which is important when you have implied that she is an authoritative expert. My comment was a fair one to make. I didn’t question her character, and showed no form of slanderous words. In addition, I knew that I hadn’t had the time or the space to make a comprehensive rebuttal. So, I left it open ended for people to consider for themselves.
Finally, people give opinions all the time on here against the LDS church, and you do nothing about that. I do not recall that you’ve ever deleted those on the basis of being an unsupported opinion.
So, given the fact that my comments are relatively benign, and your actions are relatively hypocritical, I can’t help but question your motive.
Amanda, I have to agree with you that the host of that show did looked steroid-happy. And I thought his leather jacket funny…did he get off a motorcycle right before the show? (Cracking myself up). Also, why did he have to continually ask the audience if they heard what Sandra Tanner was saying? However, Tanner has done her homework and a lot of what she says is corroborated by LDS sources.
If it seems like I’m trying to extend an olive branch, yes, I am. I hope you are having a nice day today.
I just want to say that my comments about the tv host were not in the best of taste, and I apologize if I offended anyone.
I just got done watching this whole thing (man that was long) but it was some good stuff.. Never checked out Sandra’s work but It’s good to know there is someone who has been involved in and studied Mormonism for all of there lives.
Something that struck me is that a lot of ex-mormons have said that other people outside of the church seemed to know more about Mormonism than they themselves.. If that’s not a wake up call I don’t know what is..
I have experience to back up the claims of those people to. I myself, as many of you know, have attended a ward ever sunday and watched general conferences every year for the past 4 years. In one single day of study on the internet, I learned more about the Mormon Church than I did going to those meetings.. What kind of sad state of affairs is this? I feel that when most people convert to Mormonism, they get that special feeling when they pray and then they just stop learning about the core theology of the church. Instead, they are taught by other members of the church certain topics about having faith and being a good person.
Thats why I feel my wife gets frustrated when I try to mention things to her. It’s because she knows (and even admitted) that I know more than her about Mormonism and all she has is her “testimony”. I’m not saying this to gloat, believe me. My heart cries out to God every time I see her get frustrated and she doesn’t even bother doing anything about it. Out of fear she bites the hand that tries to feed her. I think she’s afraid to let go of Mormonism because she doesn’t yet realize that Jesus Christ will be there to catch her when she lets go. Pray for her if you guys will, I desire her to have a relationship with Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Falcon,
Didn’t I just question her effectiveness? Why do you always categorize your disagreement with my characterizations as “sour grapes”… It wasn’t ad hominem- the point of my “personal attack” was to directly attack the message. I was referring to her not being very bright, OR intimidating, therefore she lacked “effectiveness”, as you call it. Her inability to make logical steps with whatever information she had made it really hard to take her message seriously. That was my whole point.
Besides, you can’t make a blanket statement about ALL MORMONS based on something some girl said who happens to be mormon, I don’t speak for the mormon church or for any other LDS person for that matter. Judging by your reasoning skills, though, I’m starting to see why you would find Sandra Tanner so gripping in her mormon tales.
Megan,
Whatever information Sandra Tanner shared, I don’t know how valid it was, nor do I care– the initial point was like I said above– Her inability to connect the dots in a rational way. It was all a little rinky-dink, including the backdrop 😉
Thanks for the laughs, Megan. Hope you all have a Merry CHRISTmas (but since I’m mormon, I should probably say X-mas)