On the “Before God Was God” thread here on Mormon Coffee a Latter-day Saint has been defending his position that Mormonism is not polytheistic. The core of his argument resides in his definition of “polytheism,” which he defines as the worship of more than one God. He posits that Latter-day Saints worship only Heavenly Father; they do not worship any other Gods. I asked him about the worship of Jesus Christ and provided two supporting statements made by late LDS prophet Gordon B. Hinckley:
“We honor Him, we worship Him, we love Him as our Redeemer, the great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New Testament.” (”A Testimony of the Son of God,” Ensign, 12/2002 p. 4)
“He is the central focus of our worship. He is the Son of the living God, the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten in the flesh…” (”We Look to Christ,” Ensign, 5/2002 p. 90)
If Mormons worship Heavenly Father (one God) and Jesus Christ (a second God), they would be polytheists according to our Mormon friend’s definition. He responded,
“As for President Hinckley’s comment, i do not agree with his use of the word ‘worship’, and this may be just an argument of semantic, which is prevalent on this board. However, as a mormon, i and we only pray TO Our Heavenly Father. Though your quote has minor merit, it is hardly a statement of doctrine. It is hardly a revelation that any religious doctrine may have a verse, statement, or idea that is an inconsistency or contradiction. Even as a prophet, man is not, and never can be, perfect.”
This raises all sorts of issues, not the least of which being the idea that the LDS prophet was wrong about something so basic and important as who members of the “Only True Church” worship. But the question that interests me at the moment is whether or not Mormonism promotes the worship of Jesus Christ.
Worship of Christ as God is and has always been at the core of Christianity. From His birth (Matthew 2) to His resurrection (Matthew 28) to His triumphant return (Revelation 22), Jesus Christ is to be worshipped.
Yet Mormons disagree about whether they do or ought to worship Christ. On May 2nd (2008) the Mormon Insights blog discussed this question. “Do Mormons Worship Jesus?” LDS blogger S. Faux asked. The answer is long — and complicated.
After providing four sample quotes from the March 2008 Ensign magazine stating that Mormons do worship Christ, and providing several references from LDS scriptures that state Mormons worship the Father “in the name of Christ,” S. Faux demonstrates how LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie introduced confusion on the issue when he taught,
“We worship the Father and him only and no one else.
“We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost. I know perfectly well what the scriptures say about worshipping Christ and Jehovah, but they are speaking in an entirely different sense–the sense of standing in awe and being reverentially grateful to him who has redeemed us. Worship in the true and saving sense is reserved for God the first, the Creator.” (BYU Devotional, March 2, 1982)
But in his book Mormon Doctrine, Mr. McConkie wrote:
“The Father and the Son are the objects of all true worship. ‘Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.’ (Matt. 4:10; Luke 4:8; Ex. 34:14; Mosiah 18:25; D. & C. 20:17-19.) No one can worship the Father without also worshiping the Son. ‘All men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.’ (John 5:23.) It is proper to worship the Father, in the name of the Son, and also to worship the Son.” (page 848)
S. Faux doesn’t accept Bruce McConkie’s idea that the worship Mormons offer to Jesus is somehow a lower form of worship than that offered to the Father. Indeed, there doesn’t seem to be any LDS support for that apart from Mr. McConkie. Yet some Mormons subscribe to that notion as they attempt to support their claim of monotheism by insisting Latter-day Saints worship only one God — in the face of evidence to the contrary.
It seems that Mormons are on the horns of a dilemma. Their faith requires either:
a) Monotheistic worship of the Father alone (at the exclusion of worshiping the Son); or
b) Polytheistic worship of both the Father and the Son.
Either way Mormonism is way outside the boundaries of historic, biblical Christianity.
I don’t know which is of more concern — that Mormons might not worship Christ, or that they don’t know if they worship Christ.
Christian Pastor John Piper once noted,
” This is God’s design…His aim is that the nations — all the nations (Matthew 24:14) — worship His Son. This is God’s will for everybody in your office at work, and in your neighborhood and in your home. As John 4:23 says, ‘Such the Father seeks to worship Him.’ At the beginning of Matthew we still have a ‘come-see’ pattern. But at the end the pattern is ‘go-tell.’ The magi came and saw. We are to go and tell. But what is not different is that the purpose of God is the ingathering of the nations to worship His Son. The magnifying of Christ in the white-hot worship of all nations, the reason the world exists.”
One day all will know, without question, that Jesus Christ is worthy of worship, for “God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11).
Come before the King of kings now — and worship Him.
By the NWT, do you mean the New World Translation (Jehovah Witness translation)? So, are you saying that the KJV got it wrong?
“Many Biblical translations use “Honor” for the reference regarding worshipping Jesus”
Again which translation uses the word “honor“?
I have heard the analogy you gave before. In fact, I had it in mind with my previous posts as it is a standard reply given by Mormons. You acknowledge true fatherhood in other families (other fathers on earth have sons) but you do not do the same with God/gods. God the grandfather, and god the uncle, are true gods if Mormonism is true! If Mormonism is right then there must be multiple true gods . . . if not then our Heavenly Father’s exaltation is meaningless as before His exaltation He was not a God (but then he supposedly became one just like his father – or didn’t). I acknowledge that my friends are fathers of their own children, and I would never have my son call other men father, but I would not call other fathers “false” fathers. My son would know either by me telling him, or by cultural osmosis, that multiple true fathers exist. I, and my father, do acknowledge other men as being true fathers. If I have a son it is possible that one day my son could grow up to be a true father (I do not have a child yet BTW).
“things that are seperate are not together, thus these ideas are not compatible”
Did you use reason, logic, and other things that have (supposedly) nothing to do with the spirit to arrive at those conclusions? If reason and spirit are totally separate then why are you using reason on a spiritual board?
I do not operate with your rock-solid, arbitrary division between spiritual matters and everything else. I would say that matters of the body and spirit overlap. Even if I am wrong (which I really do not believe that I am) so then are those first century Jews and Christians as they had the same cosmology as I have.
“Furthermore, almost the entire Bible was manipulated by the Greeks, in order to humanize it…this is a widely known fact beyond denominations.”
This is really the crux of the “restoration” isn’t it? If this is not true would you say that Mormonism is false? Where exactly did Greek thought wrongly influence the Bible?
“as for literal versus meta-literal etc.. reference 1 corinthians 2:10-14” – so when text and theology don’t jive you call it the Holy Spirit? Could non-Mormons ever do the same thing with you? I know why those non-literal son references, plus the servant and friend references, are not often mentioned in Mormon circles. Because they totally destroy the idea that we are physical offspring of Elohim.
It’s so nice to see you here, and while I see the logic of your “father” reference,
“You acknowledge true fatherhood in other families (other fathers on earth have sons) but you do not do the same with God/gods. God the grandfather, and god the uncle, are true gods if Mormonism is true! If Mormonism is right then there must be multiple true gods . . . if not then our Heavenly Father’s exaltation is meaningless as before His exaltation He was not a God (but then he supposedly became one just like his father – or didn’t). I acknowledge that my friends are fathers of their own children, and I would never have my son call other men father, but I would not call other fathers “false” fathers. My son would know either by me telling him, or by cultural osmosis, that multiple true fathers exist.”
It seems to me that this suggests a much more polytheistic doctrine than many modern LDS may feel comfortable with …of course, not being LDS I dare not presume to speak for them! WINK!
Sorry – but spelling issues aside – your question as to “Am I Semetic/Semitic?”
Why? Is this relevant?
Thanks for the kudos if that is what it is. To answer your question – not very, so feel totally free to not answer if you prefer. I would add that it would be nice to know your religous background/leanings as your handle is traveler (I am assuming as in a religious traveler), and you are the (only?) current non-Mormon and non-Christian that regularly posts here.
Hello! I really do enjoy these discussions with you, and actually I chose “Traveler” because I thought “Longshanks” or “Strider” might sound silly. (WINK!)
I couldn’t tell you the percentages of LDS/NON LDS/NON Monotheists/Atheists who visit this site, because I don’t know.