Mormon Church on China: Caesar is Lord

x-jesus-versus-caesarThe LDS Church has issued a Q&A regarding China:

Can my friends be taught and baptized in China?
Not at present. Please contact the Church’s CAU Director for guidelines and further information.

Are there any activities that I should pay attention to avoid?
Please do not distribute any Church literature or other religious materials; please do not seek to attend Church meetings with foreign Church members…

This is consistent with earlier sentiments I have heard expressed by Mormons: That the LDS Church “respects the law” so much that it won’t preach its message where it is illegal to do so.

But what does Jesus say?

“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 18:18-20)

And what did Peter say?

“And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest questioned them, saying, “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.” But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.” (Acts 5:27-32)

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From the Mailbag (Heavenly Grandfathers)

forever-stamps by samantha celera (Flickr)Dear Sharon,

Some critics say that Mormons believe that when they become gods they will have glory equal with Father. But that is simply a lie. I know that our Father will be always our GOD and we will worship Him for whole eternity, becoming gods is not to rob Father’s glory, but to give Him more glory. If my children [have] success in their life, it will not rob anything from me it will only give me more honor. God wants us to be like Him, He wants us to have what He has, like every good parent wishes to his children. If my kids become like me or even better I still will be their mother and they still will honor and respect me, if they are good children, of course. I am not dreaming that one day when I become god I will take away something from MY Father in heaven. That is what Lucifer wanted, he wanted glory of the Father and he wanted everybody to worship him. That is why he is devil now, he did not keep his first estate…

I believe that Jesus is creating many more worlds, and he will do it for eternity, because it will be always infinity more space beyond each new world he will create. The more worlds he creates the more glory it brings to his Father. I believe that if I overcome like Jesus overcame I will inherit what he inherited and as joint heir with him will be given this opportunity to create more worlds like he does, and by doing it I will glorify my Father in heaven. The same like earthly children when they prosper in their lives they bring more honor to their earthly parents and not taking away from them something. And when their grandchildren follow their parents those already grandparents are even more proud of their children. And people say what a wonderful parents they are, they have not only great children but even great grandchildren.

Hi Anna,

…I read all the same Bible passages as you, but I understand them quite differently (as I have demonstrated in past emails). I would just like to comment that, as I understand things, “inheriting” all that God has is not the same as becoming a God like Him. What He has and what He is are two different things altogether. A silly analogy is this: I can prepare a will and leave all that I have to my new puppy; this makes him my heir. When I die he will inherit everything I have — but he will not inherit what I am. That is, he will not become human — he will remain a dog.

Anyway, you wrote:

And again, I really would like to point out, that I want to do it NOT to convince you but ONLY to show what it really means from the point of view of latter-day saints and NOT what critics say it means.

In that spirit, I wonder if you can help me understand this a bit better. Here is one place I have a lot of trouble with this whole idea of “many Gods but one for us.” You have said many times (for emphasis, I think) that though you believe there are many true Gods, you only worship one. You say that you (and others) becoming a God will not take anything away from Heavenly Father, but it will instead increase His glory.

Here’s what I’m struggling to understand. Let’s back up a world/generation. According to Mormonism, at one time Heavenly Father was a human being on another planet. Of all the true Gods in existence, he worshiped only his Heavenly Father (and perhaps his Savior). When he (our God) achieved exaltation, he became a God and created and peopled another world (separate from the one he’d lived on in mortality). But the people of this other world (us) have nothing whatsoever to do with Heavenly Father’s Father — our Heavenly Grandfather, if you will. Our Heavenly Father says he is the only God that matters to us; we are to have nothing to do with our Heavenly Grandfather (and other heavenly ancestors). Heavenly Father is so intent on keeping his children (us) from his own Father, he pretends (says) he doesn’t even know his Heavenly Father exists. [See Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:8]

(From a human standpoint, there is not much we could do that would dishonor our grandfathers more than to totally ignore them and pretend they don’t exist — or think they don’t matter.)

So as the cycle continues, for you, when you become exalted, your husband will tell your children that he is the only God for them. As for your Heavenly Father, the God you worship, your children will not know or acknowledge him. When they are around you, you will pretend that your Heavenly Father doesn’t even exist.

I honestly cannot understand how this seems good to you and others of your faith… For me, I could never comfortably deny my God; I could never comfortably instruct my children to love and worship me and ignore my God. He is everything to me and I want nothing more than for others to know Him and His love, too. The day that my children gave their hearts to Him (though this put me in second place) was one of the best days of my life — and it continues to bring me great joy and comfort…

Dear Sharon,

[Some]thing that you can not accept and makes no sense for you is why God doesn’t want to teach us about His God or as we can call Him our grandfather God. Sharon, you probably know that Mormons believe that we have our Heavenly Mother. And still Father did not reveal to us anything about her or revealed very little. Even through the Bible I personally see that God does not reveal to us MANY MANY other things. Why? There are many reasons that God only knows…why God does not reveal to us about other worlds and His Gods ancestors, let’s call them this way, it is because God reveals to us ONLY things that IMPORTANT for our SALVATION!!! What is not important for our salvation can wait for a time when ALL things will be revealed to us.

Hello Anna,

Thank you for speaking to my concerns about the continuing cycle of Gods and the denial of their existence by our Heavenly Father. I appreciate your effort to explain, but you really didn’t help me understand. You talked about how God doesn’t reveal everything to us, and this for His good purposes. I agree with you. But that wasn’t my question. I did not ask why God doesn’t tell us about His God (and our Heavenly Grandfather), but how our Heavenly Grandfather is honored and glorified when His own son (Heavenly Father) denies His very existence. As I wrote,

So as the cycle continues, for you, when you become exalted, your husband will tell your children that he is the only God for them. As for your Heavenly Father, the God you worship, your children will not know or acknowledge him. When they are around you, you will pretend that your Heavenly Father doesn’t even exist.

Anna, this is a big problem for me. I cannot reconcile this with other things you have told me (e.g., that this system brings glory and honor to Heavenly Father). And I certainly cannot reconcile it with the teachings of the Bible as I understand them…

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The Creed of Practical Mormon Atheism

The grand council of atheist Mormon bishops have met and codified the Creed of Practical Mormon Atheism, a list of things that both atheists and Mormons can largely affirm together:

  • Even if Mormonism is false, it is still worth believing and ought not be refuted.
  • Faith is ultimately irrational.
  • Even if you don’t believe in God, you should still stay on the membership rolls and consider yourself a Mormon.
  • If the LDS Church isn’t true, there is no God.
  • How you live your life is more important than what you believe.
  • I can’t believe in a God who demands worship.
  • It doesn’t matter if it’s true. What matters is whether it is official.
  • I proudly mentally disassociate from the content and implications of my belief system.
  • I know the Church is true. I have no idea what that means.
  • There was a conspiracy to fundamentally corrupt the Bible. It is untrustworthy and we look elsewhere for truth.
  • Apart from Mormonism, I have no good reasons to believe that Jesus rose from the dead.
  • The existence of my personhood is not owing to any god.
  • Everything is matter and nothing is immaterial.
  • There is no ultimate personal being who is the ground of all other being.
  • There is no first cause.
  • There are impersonal eternal laws that govern everything.

“So say we all.”

On a serious note, this is why I ask Mormons questions like,

  • If the Church wasn’t true, would you still believe in Jesus?
  • Are you the kind of Mormon that would still believe in Jesus, even if you left the LDS Church?
  • If you weren’t a Mormon, what religion do you think you’d be?
  • What reasons do you have to believe in the resurrection of Jesus that are independent of Mormonism?
  • Is your belief in Jesus on the foundation of your belief in the Church, or is your belief in the Church on the foundation of your belief in Jesus?

The religion of Mormonism is thinning out. The numbers increase on the exterior (although even that is in jeopardy), but on the interior there is a mass-apostasy going on, intellectually and mentally speaking. People are leaving the LDS Church without leaving the LDS Church.

Without asking probing questions, I can’t assume any Mormon I talk to even believes in the existence of God or the resurrection of Jesus. Even the Mormons that aren’t closet-atheists are largely latent atheists (or agnostics) without knowing it. Since evangelism, I take it, is partly to engage the conscience and the depth of one’s heart, I want to reach them where they are really at, even if they don’t quite understand what is going on.

Are you reading this blog to better understand how to evangelize your LDS neighbors? Are you feeling inadequate because you don’t know much about Mormonism? How about this for a start: Step through ten reasons to believe in the resurrection of Jesus, ten reasons to trust the Bible, and even ten reasons to believe in the existence of God. Even if a Mormon doesn’t think they “need” to hear it.

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Living by the Scriptures

For many years the LDS Church-owned newspaper Church News included a column called “Living by the Scriptures.” This weekly column was described by the newspaper in this way:

“‘Living by the Scriptures’ is another in a series of Church News reader response articles. Was there a time when a particular scripture touched you, when it offered comfort, guidance and much-needed support? If so, please describe your experience in 250-300 words, giving the scripture reference and telling how it affected you.”

In 1997 I decided to send a submission to Church News relating an experience I had with a specific Scripture that gave me comfort, guidance and much-needed support at a pivotal point in my life. This is what I wrote:

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” Isaiah 43:10

Several years ago I was challenged in my faith to examine the claims of a different religion. This other church insisted that it alone was pleasing to God and that my religion was wrong.

I spent many hours each day studying both my own faith and the claims of the challenging faith. I would compare and contrast the teachings of both, endeavoring to come to a firm knowledge of the truth.

As I would study, I would sometimes be overwhelmed by the strong testimonies of those from the other church. Even though the doctrines of this religion were very different from what I had always believed to be true, I found myself periodically thinking, “Maybe this is the true church. Maybe everything I have been taught in my church is not right.”

However, throughout this extended period I could sense God asking me, “But who do they say that I am?” The answer to this question was the key to whether their claims were true or not. God had told me, through the prophet Isaiah, certain things about Himself so I would “know and believe” and “understand” who He is; and this so I could evaluate claims people would make in His name. The knowledge given through this Scripture verse, that there is only one true God – and will never ever be any others – became the anchor that held me firmly to the truth when I was being tempted to turn away and follow after a different God. The Word of God is very precious to me; I thank my Father in heaven that He kept me from deception and helped me to see the foundational flaw in that other church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

-Sharon Lindbloom

My submission was never chosen for publication in Church News and “Living by the Scriptures” is no longer a regular feature in the Mormon newspaper. But I like the idea promoted by the column. To speak of the way God and His Word has been active in our lives is always a good idea. Therefore, I invite you, friends in the Mormon Coffee community, to carry on that old Church News tradition. You may tell us here, or you may tell those people God brings across your path in person, but along with Daniel, those of us who love God should all agree, “It has seemed good to me to show the signs and wonders that the Most High God has done for me” (Daniel 4:2).

Come and hear, all you who fear God,
and I will tell what he has done for my soul.
–Psalm 66:16

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I Love Talking To Ex-Mormon Atheists

I did not expect to meet so many atheists when I moved to Utah seven years ago. But I should have known better: America as a whole is secularizing, and Mormonism itself has a “scorched earth policy.” My Mormon girlfriend in high school once essentially said, “If the LDS Church isn’t true, I don’t know that I could ever believe in God.” Mormonism already is a form of atheism: it denies the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, first, most high God, and instead teaches a kind of naturalism or materialism: everything is matter, even spirits, and everything is subject to eternal laws of ultimate nature, even the gods. It feeds its people conspiracy theories about the corruption of the Bible, and it scares the heck out of Mormons over non-Mormon churches: if you don’t stay with the One True Church, you’ll have to settle for an abominable evangelical church with a corrupt pastor who is a minister of Satan.

That is a colorful way of putting it, but you get the point.

It is depressing that so many people leave Mormonism only to become agnostics or atheists. Fortunately, atheists have a hard time staying atheists. Their children are probably much more open to the Biblical gospel than Mormons are. I suspect God is up to something — he has multi-generational plans we’ve never dreamed of. If giving people the truth about Mormonism’s history and the truth about the Biblical gospel of Jesus Christ statistically increases the odds of a person becoming a self-confessed agnostic or atheist, then so be it. God is sovereign and I am not here to be a social engineer or to play God. My job as an ambassador of Jesus is to preach the word of truth in love, and let the chips fall where they may. Fortunately, there is the fruit of ex-Mormon Christians to celebrate.

I used to be intimidated to talk to atheists. They are, in my experience, generally confident about their atheism and have tough questions. But over time I discovered that the average atheist hasn’t read a substantive book defending atheism or theism, and gets his intellectual prowess from… image memes and YouTube. Today, I like to start off conversations with atheists by asking, “Have you ever read a good book defending atheism or theism?” Usually they haven’t. “Have you ever heard any good arguments for the existence of God or the resurrection of Jesus?” Usually they haven’t. “What are the strongest arguments for theism or Christianity, and what about them do you find lacking?” Blank stare. “What do you think are some of the most difficult questions for atheism to answer?” Ughhh…

These are great introductory teaching moments. “Would you mind if I shared a few good arguments for the existence of God and for the resurrection of Jesus?” What an awesome opportunity, especially when it culminates in a presentation of the most beautiful (and true) story in the world: God, yes, God, became a man, suffered with us and for us, and paid our penalty on the humiliating and shameful cross, and showed us the best display of sacrificial love there has ever been, simultaneously vindicating the righteousness of God, raising three days letter, showing us that the Lord Jesus Christ has all authority under heaven and earth and infinite power to keep his promises.

My favorite argument for the existence of God is the “moral argument for God.” I push it really hard:

1. If there is no God, there are no objective moral values or duties.
2. There are objective moral values and duties.
3. Therefore, God exists.

The really interesting thing about this argument is that atheists disagree with each other and don’t know it. Some affirm both premises and simply haven’t followed them through to the conclusion. Some affirm premise #1 and disaffirm premise #2, others disaffirm premise #1 and affirm premise #2. Call me a rascal, but when I’m being dog-piled by atheists, I love to get them arguing with each other. The argument is a great way to simultaneously engage someone’s intellect, spiritual intuitions, and suppressed presuppositions, all at the same time.

You can hear more about the moral argument for God here. But don’t let YouTube suffice: read a good book. Some of you are, like me, at times utterly sick of reading about, thinking about, and discussing Mormonism. Take the opportunity to read some good literature that both engages atheism and supports the basics of Biblical Christianity. The ironic thing is that you can take what you learn and share it with not only your atheist neighbors, but also your Mormon neighbors. I dare say that all of the evidences, arguments, and Biblical declarations that atheists need to hear are things that Mormons equally need to hear. Mormons are atheists in embryo. As Mormons are, ex-Mormon atheists once were; as ex-Mormon atheists are, Mormons may be. To quote The Dark Knight Rises out of context: “There is a storm coming.” Mormon parents need to stop asking themselves, “Will my children remain in the LDS Church?”, and start asking, “When my children leave the LDS Church, will they believe in Jesus?” Not if, but when. It’s happening in Utah, and it’s happening fast. Mormons have a hard time imagining what being a Christian theist would be like outside of Mormonism. I want to help start this process of imagination.

Addendum: Ten Discussion Questions for Atheists and Agnostics

  1. Is there anything you reasonably believe to be true, yet can’t empirically demonstrate?
  2. Are there any objective moral values or duties?
    1. Is torturing babies for fun morally objectively wrong?
    2. Does atheism have a ‘problem of evil’?
  3. Does every effect have a sufficient cause?
  4. Do you trust your cognitive faculties?
    1. To what extent and why?
  5. Is an infinite regress possible?
  6. Is it possible that God exists?
  7. Is truth important for its own sake?
  8. Is the question of God’s existence important?
  9. Do you feel angst or sorrow over the absurdity of life?
  10. What do you think of the person of Jesus?
    1. Have you ever heard of the “trilemma”?

Philosophical discussion important, but secondary and supplemental to direct preaching. People are not only emotional and spiritual beings, but also intellectual beings, so I consider it a respectful and loving thing to engage a person intellectually.

We are all fools for something. I choose to be a fool for Jesus. “If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become ‘fools’ so that you may become wise.” (1 Corinthians 3:18) Be a “fool” with me and preach the ridiculous gospel of Jesus Christ. Self-confessed atheists are no different than the rest of us inadvertent “practical atheists” who sin as though God does not exist. We need to repent of trusting ourselves and cry out to Jesus in brokenhearted, child-like faith.

God is good, and Jesus has risen,

Aaron

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‘After All You Can Do’ to Screw Up Your Life

All You’ll Ever Need
By Andrew Peterson

The blood of Jesus, it is like the widow’s oil
It’s enough to pay the price to set you free
It can fill up every jar and every heart that ever beat
When it’s all you have it’s all you’ll ever need

The blood of Jesus, it is like the leper’s river
Running humble with a power you cannot see
Seven times go under, let the water wash you clean
Only go down in the Jordan and believe

And I need it, I need it, the closer that I grow
The more I come to know how much I need it

The blood of Jesus it is like Elijah’s fire
Falling on the altar of your faith
All the wisdom of the world could never conjure up a spark
But no power of Hell could ever quench this flame
No power of Hell could ever touch this flame

And I need it, I need it, the closer that I grow
The more I come to know how much I need the blood of Jesus

The blood of Jesus, it is like the widow’s oil
When it’s all you have it’s all you’ll ever need

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A Mormon Apostle Explains the “Component Parts” of God

Foundational to the Mormon gospel is the existence of Heavenly Mother, the spouse and counterpart of Mormonism’s Heavenly Father. When Mormon Apostle Erastus Snow taught on this concept in 1878, he explained that God is a component being, consisting of both male and female “parts.”

While Apostle Snow’s remarks could be misunderstood, I believe that consideration of his fuller argument (supplied below) suggests that he was talking about social unity in the Godhead, not a blending of male and female into one Being or essence.

Beginning with the idea that the creation of Adam and Eve in God’s image necessitated a male/female Creator God, Apostle Snow’s argument reached its logical (?) end:

“…there can be no God except he is composed of the man and woman united, and there is not in all the eternities that exist, nor ever will be, a God in any other way. I have another description: There never was a God, and there never will be in all eternities, except they are made of these two component parts; a man and a woman; the male and the female.”

Erastus Snow’s Sunday morning discourse provides an unfortunate real-life example of something Paul wrote about in Romans 1; this Mormon apostle exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man, worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, and taught others do likewise (see Romans 1:22-25).

Man in His Image—Male and Female Created He Them
Discourse by Apostle Erastus Snow (excerpt)

And every organ adapted to its special use, and for its special purpose, and combining a whole, a grand union—a little kingdom composed of many kingdoms, united and constituting the grand whole, the being we call man, but which in the language of these Scriptures was called Adam—male and female created he them, and called their name Adam, which in the original, in which these Scriptures were written by Moses, signifies “the first man.” There was no effort at distinguishing between the one half and the other, and calling one man and the other woman. This was an after distinction, but the explanation of it is—one man, one being, and he called their name Adam. But he created them male and female, for they were one, and he says not unto the woman multiply, and to the man multiply, but he says unto them, multiply and reproduce your species, and replenish the earth. He speaks unto them as belonging together, as constituting one being, and as organized in his image and after his likeness. And the Apostle Paul, treating upon this subject in the same way, says that man was created in the likeness of God, and after the express image of his person. John, the Apostle, in writing the history of Jesus, speaks in the same way; that Jesus was in the likeness of his Father, and express image of his person. And if the revelations that God has made of himself to man, agree and harmonize upon this theory, and if mankind would be more believing, and accept the simple, plain, clear definition of Deity, and description of himself which he has given us, instead of hunting for some great mystery, and seeking to find out God where he is not and as he is not, we all might understand him. There is no great mystery about it; no more mystery about it than there is about ourselves, and our own relationship to our father and mother, and the relationship of our own children to us. That which we see before our eyes, and which we are experiencing from time to time, day to day, and year to year, is an exemplification of Deity.

“What,” says one, “do you mean we should understand that Deity consists of man and woman?” Most certainly I do. If I believe anything that God has ever said about himself, and anything pertaining to the creation and organization of man upon the earth, I must believe that Deity consists of man and woman. Now this is simplifying it down to our understanding, and the great Christian world will be ready to open their mouths and cry, “Blasphemy! Sacrilege!” Open wide their eyes and wide their mouths in the utmost astonishment. What! God a man and woman? The Shakers say he was, and Ann Lee says, “Christ came in the form of a man in the first place, and now comes in the form of a woman,” and she was that form.

Then these Christians—they say he has no form, neither body, parts nor passions. One party says he is a man, and the other says he is a woman. I say he is both. How do you know? I only repeat what he says of himself; that he created man in the image of God, male and female created he them, and he called their name Adam, which signifies in Hebrew, the first man. So that the beings we call Adam and Eve were the first man placed here on this earth, and their name was Adam, and they were the express image of God. Now, if anybody is disposed to say that the woman is in the likeness of God and that the man was not, and if vice versa, I say you are both wrong, or else God has not told us the truth.

I sometimes illustrate this matter by taking up a pair of shears, if I have one, but then you all know they are composed of two halves, but they are necessarily parts, one of another, and to perform their work for each other, as designed, they belong together, and neither one of them is fitted for the accomplishment of their works alone. And for this reason says St. Paul, “the man is not without the woman, nor the woman without the man in the Lord.” In other words, there can be no God except he is composed of the man and woman united, and there is not in all the eternities that exist, nor ever will be, a God in any other way. I have another description: There never was a God, and there never will be in all eternities, except they are made of these two component parts; a man and a woman; the male and the female. (Journal of Discourses 19:269-270)

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What do Christians believe it means to be made in the image of God?
Conformed to His Image by Greg Bailey
The Image of God from Tabletalk Magazine

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How Mormon Temples Restore a Significant Aspect of Solomon’s Temple

Perhaps the most compelling parallel that can be made between Mormon temples and Solomon’s temple is that the Israelites disobediently put an “Asherah pole” — an object which honored Asherah, the wife of Baal (which idolatrous Israelites assumed to be also the wife of Yahweh) — into the temple. Kings and Chronicles repeatedly makes the issue of Asherah a measuring rod when describing the rebellion and idolatry and wickedness of God’s people and the kings of Israel. In the great reform, the Asherah pole was chopped down and burned to ashes (2 Kings 23:6).

Today, Mormons resurrect worship of Asherah in at least two ways:

1. They essentially teach and believe in Heavenly Mother, and this worldview is the framework which informs the endowment ceremony, which under-girds the sealing ceremonies (i.e. sealings are necessary for women to become cosmic queens, goddesses, to further the genealogy of the gods), and the rare second anointings, where women are given assurance, short of subsequently committing murder, of celestial exaltation unto godhood.

2. After re-enacting the Fall, the Mormon participants in the LDS endowment ceremony are told by Satan to run, hide, and make a green apron-covering for themselves, to hide their nakedness. The acted drama or movie is literally stopped to give LDS participant time to obey Satan. The narrator then instructs them to put on their green aprons. In Mormonism, the decision to eat of the forbidden fruit is construed as being wise, righteous, holy, and worth imitating. It is celebrated for allegedly then enabling Adam and Eve to birth mortal children. Whereas Biblically the shameful self-covering of Adam and Eve was replaced with the animal-skin covering that God provided (pointing to Christ), Mormons put the green apron on in a celebratory fashion, not a shameful one. They even put it on over the alleged divine covering (the white undergarments). Mormons are often even buried in their casket with the green apron on. The green apron may be seen as a celebration of the fertility that came with the Fall, when they obeyed Satan’s enticing. Since Asherah was a goddess of fertility, I can’t help but see the connection: not only are modern Mormon apologists like Kevin Barney calling for worship of Asherah as Heavenly Mother(!), Mormons have inadvertently paid homage to the goddess of fertility in a demonic temple ceremony.

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Should evangelism always suit a 21st century culture?

On Ash Wednesday, several Episcopalian priests from the San Diego, CA area went onto local street corners, putting ashes onto the heads of pedestrians. According to the article I read, this event was created so people who were too busy to go to church could participate in this rite. Some even stuck their heads out of car windows while waiting at the red light to have the service done! They advertised the event on a large sandwich board stationed on the sidewalk, with a prominent LGBT rainbow flag attached to it.

On my Facebook account, I shared the news story. I explained that I knew it was Ash Wednesday, but I had never heard of religious leaders applying ashes to random people’s foreheads. (It might not be the same, but would they do this with baptism? With communion?) On my Facebook page, I questioned the whole affair and added that I wasn’t sure why the rainbow flag was displayed, especially since there were no other flags. If the priests were catering to others besides homosexuals, perhaps a U.S. or Christian flag would have been good to add in. Or, since this area of town has a large homosexual population, was this rainbow flag intended to show that the ashes were only meant for homosexuals and no one else? If there was such a thing as a “straight flag” and it was displayed by itself, what would the reaction have been? Would the priests have been called “homophobes”? To me, the whole affair was very confusing.

gavelSeveral friends responded on my page, criticizing my “narrow-mindedness.“ One person who says she is a Christian wrote: “Perhaps the pastor isn’t endorsing anything by holding signs, and being on a street corner. Perhaps he’s just spreading good news and love to ALL people. The Jesus I know loves people of ALL faiths, ALL walks of life, ALL colors, and ALL orientations equally. He calls them to him and embraces them always with loving open arms! I want no part of making that call in judging people; that is God’s job, not ours.”

It is the kind of comment we get on a regular basis from many who criticize us at MRM. After all, they ask, what gives us the right to tell others that their views are wrong? I wrote back:

“Not to argue, but let me ask some questions to make my point. This Jesus you speak about, doesn’t He say in John 7:24 to ‘make a right judgment’? And was Jesus never judgmental? (See Matt 23:27-28, John 8:44, and there’s a host of others I could quote.)”

I also trotted Paul out. After all, didn’t the apostle judge the Corinthians (see 1 Corinthians 5:1ff)? In this passage, he told the believers to “expel the immoral brother.” The man in question was apparently having sexual relations with his father’s wife. “And you are proud!” Paul retorted. “Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?” He added, “I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.”

I’m just not sure why these priests who call themselves “Christian” want to participate in what is, for them at least, a religious rite with a group of people who may or may not call themselves Christian and who are proudly sexually immoral. Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 5:11 that “you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.” These are tough words, but Paul was serious about what he was saying.

Letters to the seven churches are listed in Revelation chapters two and three. The first letter is addressed to the church of Ephesus. After the church is initially criticized, Jesus gives some positive words in verse 6: “But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.” (The Nicolaitans are also referred to in the next letter to Pergamum.) What were those practices? The Nicolaitans were well known for practicing spiritual liberty that they felt gave them the ability to practice idolatry and immorality. And according to these words, Jesus hates idolatry and immorality.

But wait, doesn’t’ Jesus love all people? There is no doubt that God does have a love for all humankind, a general benevolence that allows the rain to fall on both the just and the unjust. But He hates worship and practices that don’t give honor to Him. In this 21st century that has become filled with political correctness, Christians who have a zeal to share truth with the unsaved are told to pipe down and mind their own business. We must be careful, we are told, because we just don’t want others to be offended. It might make them feel bad about themselves.

I disagree with this way of thinking. While we do what we do with gentleness and respect (1 Peter 3:16), it behooves us to share the honest truth with everyone. I believe that homosexuality and Mormonism are not unforgiveable sins, but I believe that homosexuality can be equated with immorality and Mormonism with idolatry. It is possible to let others know, from a biblical point of view, that these ways are not God’s ways, while at the same time not resort to ad hominem (against the man) attacks. I don’t hate Mormons or homosexuals, but I certainly don’t agree with their practices.

Indeed, we all fall short of God’s expectations; every person comes to the throne of grace imperfect and in need of forgiveness.  However, when we arrive to the point where we say that “I want no part of making that call in judging people, that is God’s job, not ours,” the gospel becomes the Biggest Loser. Will we become like those Christians in Nazi Germany who decided to bite their lips and just go with the flow as people were sent to concentration camps? Or because Mormons are such a moral people, will we be satisfied in letting them go to hell because, quite frankly, we don’t want to experience what Walter Martin called “Rockaboatis”?

We are commanded to be ambassadors of light and point to truth in a loving way. Jesus commanded it! And the example can be seen throughout the New Testament. Christian, let’s not be intimidated, even when people don’t want us to stand for truth.

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Methodists and Mormons

John Wesley

John Wesley

Christopher Jones writes at the Peculiar People blog about the prevalence of early Mormon converts who came from a Methodist background. It is suggested that this was because they (and others) believed about Mormonism, “It’s like Methodism, only more.” Indeed, Mr. Jones quotes Joseph Smith telling a Methodist minister, “We Latter-day Saints are Methodists, as far as they have gone, only we have advanced further.”

It’s hard to know what Joseph Smith meant when he referred to this so-called advancement. Mormonism is “more” than Methodism in that it has more Gods, more heavens, more books considered scripture, more types of salvation, (etc.) than the Methodist Church accepts, but the Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church bear little resemblance to the doctrines of Mormonism. Perhaps the differences weren’t so vast in the early days of Joseph Smith’s doctrinal development. Be that as it may, Mr. Jones writes,

“Among the first generation of converts to Mormonism, roughly one-third of them came from Methodist backgrounds, including Emma Smith, Brigham Young, and John Taylor. Even Joseph Smith remembered being ‘somewhat partial to the Methodist sect’ and feeling ‘some desire to be united with them’ before his own visionary experience.”

Joseph Smith did write that when he was in his fifteenth year, in the midst of all the religious fervor in upstate New York, he was drawn to Methodism (JS—History 1:8). But instead of joining the Methodist Church, he thought, “Who of all these parties are right; or, are they all wrong together? If any of them be right, which is it, and how shall I know it?” (JS—History 1:10)

This questioning led him, in due time, to ask God. But by this time he had evidently forgotten his earlier suspicion that all might be wrong, so when the Father and the Son appeared before him, Joseph related,

“I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men…’” (JS—History 1:18-19)

Surprisingly, Joseph’s “visionary experience” did not seem to change the way he felt about Methodism. God Himself (he claims) told him that the Methodist Church was wrong, its creeds an abomination, its professors corrupt, and its doctrines devoid of divine authority. Nevertheless, Joseph’s “desire to be united with them” apparently remained. A few years later, while busily engaged in translating the gold plates and receiving direct revelations from God, “Joseph joined the Methodist Episcopal church or class in Harmony, Pennsylvania, in the summer of 1828” (Inventing Mormonism, Marquardt and Walters, 61, fn 49).

How long Joseph Smith remained united with the Methodist Church is unknown, but for his wife, Emma, the “more” of 1846 Mormonism was not what she really wanted. When Brigham Young led the Latter-day Saints into the western wilderness, Emma stayed behind and re-associated herself with the Methodist Church in Nauvoo (500 Little-Known Facts About Nauvoo, George and Sylvia Givens, 236).

When Joseph Smith III became the prophet of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1860 (now the Community of Christ), Emma left Methodism again, this time for a different kind of Mormonism – one that left (among other things) the doctrines of more wives and more Gods behind.

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